10 states face financial peril... all but one Liberal

10 states face financial peril. All but Arizona voted Democratic in the last election. Is this proof that Liberal ideology is a financial failure?

Source - Money

Oh and the other one is McCain's home state so probably it is just Liberal light like McCain.




[edit on 11-11-2009 by HotSauce]

Thanks for reminding me of my state's asinine position.

Thanks to my all knowing families positions over the last 3 decades. Of course now, they all keep telling me not to say, I told you so. What do you think I tell them every time I see them?

I TOLD YOU SO, and welcome TO EMPIRE

edit to fix gramma-hotheaded keyboard always happens!

[edit on 11/11/2009 by endisnighe]

Uh, i'm gonna have to go ahead and say yes. Liberal ideology goes against the constitution, in that it is extremely socialist. They believe in redistribution of the wealth. Also, they love to tax people super crazy, over the hottest trend among themselves (i.e. global warming). Another flaw in liberalism is that they are much too politically correct, and try to force it on other people. And before anyone attacks me and calls my a right-wing nut or radical, may I inform all of you that I am a Constitutionalist. So I dont always agree with either side. But mostly I disagree with democrats.

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I believe in defending the constitution as well. The thing that bothers me is that the "Progressives" idea of a perfect world looks a whole lot like Marxism to me.

How come Liberals always come up with names that are the opposite of what they are trying to accomplish. They always try to make things sound real nice. They have quite a talent at it. For example:

Pro Choice instead of pro government protected baby murder
Progressive instead of Marxist or even nonProgressive or economy detroying. How many people would vote for them if there name reflected their results. The should go by the real name "Job Killer" party.

Originally posted by HotSauce
10 states face financial peril. All but Arizona voted Democratic in the last election. Is this proof that Liberal ideology is a financial failure?

Source - Money

Oh and the other one is McCain's home state so probably it is just Liberal light like McCain.




[edit on 11-11-2009 by HotSauce]

No.

If these states had been ran by "liberals" for the past 10 years, I'd still say no.

None of these problems that forced these states financial predicaments just happened in the past year. Most of them are an example of bad choices and judgements over a long time span.

How many other states are "ran by liberals" and not in "financial peril".

Hell with the debt being what it is, the economy and job market being what they are, is any state not in financial peril?

reply to post by HotSauce


"Compassionate conservativism"
"No child left behind"
"Operation Iraqi Freedom"
"Trickle-down economics"
"Southern Strategy"
"State's rights / law and order"

yeeeeah.

"More stimulus needed
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal research group, says the states need additional federal fiscal relief to avoid budget cuts that will hurt both the economy and people."

"The center would like to see the federal government allocate another $50 billion, while economist Mark Zandi said about half of that would be needed. Congress should pass the additional aid now since states are currently crafting their fiscal 2011 budgets"

I find this very troubling. If the Govt can use the TARP bailout to take control of wall street firms that took the money, couldn't they also do the same to States who accept bailout money.

Sat goodbye to Federalism (if it isn't dead already).

Most of those states are either rust-belt states or depend on industries like construction and tourism to keep afloat, especially Florida. And just because that state voted for Obama doesn't make it a blue state, in my opinion. I'd still consider Florida more of a red state than blue.

Plus only half of those states (WI, MI, OR, NJ, IL) have Democratic governors, all the rest are Republican. It has way more to do with the economic makeup of the state, what industries are prevalent, and decisions from past administrations than who currently runs the state.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Nicodeme]

I live in AZ and this State is very conservative. The problem is the idiots running the show thought that it would continue to grow exponentially and over-forecast the population growth and the tax revenue...so, yeah, idiots run this place.

Originally posted by HotSauce
10 states face financial peril. All but Arizona voted Democratic in the last election. Is this proof that Liberal ideology is a financial failure?

Source - Money

Oh and the other one is McCain's home state so probably it is just Liberal light like McCain.




[edit on 11-11-2009 by HotSauce]

mccain is more liberal then he is conservative. the amount of useless projects arizona takes on amazes me, im glad i got out of that state. also, i find it funny and not suprising thenliberal states are having more problems, that what you get when you spend money you dont have

I'll point out that Michigan is one of the most Liberal-run states, and is by far the worst economically. It's also the corruption, but the Liberalism has screwed it up real good.

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Actually California is even more of a financial mess if you can believe it. I mean I guess it is not hard to imagine, since they are one of the most Liberal states in the country, if not the most.

reply to post by ThaLoccster

Hell with the debt being what it is, the economy and job market being what they are, is any state not in financial peril?

The stars at night are big and bright.....deep in the heart of Texas!
ediy; I forgot to answer the op ...YES
[edit on 12-11-2009 by genius/idoit]

[edit on 12-11-2009 by genius/idoit]

Liberal ideology?
Nope.
Housing bubble?
Yes.
The crash plus ensuing unemployment took OR economy down.
As for the state demographics, it's really only the NW (Portland-Metro) that are concentrated "blue" areas. The majority of the state would be considered "red" if you consider ideology and voting patterns.

Originally posted by bettermakings
I'll point out that Michigan is one of the most Liberal-run states, and is by far the worst economically. It's also the corruption, but the Liberalism has screwed it up real good.

Yeah it couldn't be the auto industry that state is so heavily dependant upon's fault. They didn't close plant after plant.

The corrupt liberals are to blame. All those jobs are actually still there, there's not empty factories in Detroit, Flint, or anywhere else in Michigan. The american auto industry is at it highest peak in history, jobs and vehicles rolling off assembly lines left and right.

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I don't really know what you're trying to say. That Texas is in no financial peril?

The more spend happy cities are also in far greater pain than the not so spend happy ones.

What do you expect when you build for splendor while simultaneously welcome hordes of dependents? Somebody has to pay so the taxes go up. Then everyone who can afford to leaves. All that's left is welfare recipients.

The plan is always to build up all sorts of frivolous infrastructure and entice in new residents and businesses to foot the bill. Well, it never works and they never come. Over and over and over and over I've seen cities do this. And it never ever works. Why the hell do they keep trying it?

Then they all act surprised as hell when the bills come in. Their solution? Raise the taxes on the suckers who were stupid enough to stay. That bankrupts them or drives them out creating even more dependents the city/state cant afford to support. So they go begging to the fed. Well, the fed is just going to take from the places where people lived sensibly to give to the reckless. Eventually exactly what happened in that city happens on a national level.

It enrages me nearly every minute of everyday to know these people are so stupid and there's nothing short of breaking several 'laws' I can do about it.

Originally posted by HotSauce
10 states face financial peril. All but Arizona voted Democratic in the last election. Is this proof that Liberal ideology is a financial failure?

Source - Money

Oh and the other one is McCain's home state so probably it is just Liberal light like McCain.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by HotSauce]

Before you get your lib'rul hatin' panties in a wad, check out the maps because they point out the flaw in your logic:

2008 Presidential Map Not an overwhelming victory, but more blue than red.

now on to 2004:
2004 Presidential Map
Oops - lot's of red there....

How about 2000?
Not looking good for your argument...

So if your basing your logic on less than a year of a Democratic president's policies and ignoring the previous 8 years of Republican leadership - I guess your logic holds!

The influence of the powerful investment firms is working. They keep you bickering about Pelosi or Palin while they walk out the back door with Trillions of your money. The investment firms convinced you that the fault lay in people taking home loans they shouldn't have, all the while they knowing sold these loans, even pushed them to keep the housing bubble from coming down sooner than it did. I've got news for you, the Democrats and the Republicans all act the same with few exceptions. Pick your side, but both are losers as it stands today. The money, and ultimately the real seat of power, is not with Obama or Pelosi, but with the Federal Reserve and the global corporations and investment/credit firms. This isn't a conspiracy, but just a realization where the real seat of money and power lies. It's a small club and we're not in it.

If you really want to go after the people ripping you off, the financial fascists or corporate welfare parasites, focus your energy on the people hiding in the background. You rarely see them on TV until they are called up to Capital Hill for a verbal slap on the wrist for plunging the world into a deep recession.

[edit on 29-11-2009 by thepixelpusher]

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so as a constitutionalist you see nothing wrong with the vision of the "founding fathers" (excluding Jefferson) right? Or do i assume wrong. Because if so, you're in for a shock. So I assume that you also believe in limiting the power of the "people" by marginalizing select groups of people from voting *blacks, women, minorities, non-land owning*...am i also to believe that you advocate for a system of government that allows what should be a powerless minority to become a powerful minority that trumps the powerless majority. You also believe that ultimately, the people can be robbed of a proper election by the electoral college? I do not believe in the constitution as it was originally written; it's flawed. Don't believe me? Then why did it take 27 amendments to make it "perfect"?

and to the op, the reason why we're so screwed in cal is mainly because we were one of the hardest hit by the housing bubble bursting. How is it possible for a house in southern cal *where i live btw* priced at upwards 1 million when a house of greater size, better location, in another state costs a quarter of the price? Take that and the reluctance of the state legislature's Republican members to raise the taxes of the wealthier citizens of our state because they're their biggest supporters. Remember, we based our state constitution on the us constitution, so even with the Democratic majority, a 3/4's majority is required for any tax increases. So in reality, i wouldn't blame our "socialist" tendencies, more the moronic thought process of certain state legislators.

[edit on 11/29/2009 by Daedalus24]

Originally posted by Nicodeme
Most of those states are either rust-belt states or depend on industries like construction and tourism to keep afloat, especially Florida. And just because that state voted for Obama doesn't make it a blue state, in my opinion. I'd still consider Florida more of a red state than blue.

Plus only half of those states (WI, MI, OR, NJ, IL) have Democratic governors, all the rest are Republican. It has way more to do with the economic makeup of the state, what industries are prevalent, and decisions from past administrations than who currently runs the state.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Nicodeme]

well said, nicodeme.

and to expand on that, perhaps those economically stressed states decided to vote D this time around simply because the R's had done nothing constructive for them? Total guess, but it makes sense that they might have.