we were born with the ability to do so for a reason. it is an ability that the tools are given to you at birth for a later date. how is it not a right if god/creation/life gave you the ability.
Yes, Every animal has the right to procreate...... What you don't have a right to is food for your offspring, free medical care, free housing, free clothes. If you can't support your litter whether it be 1 kid or 10 kids you and them should just die of exposure and starvation like any other animal in the wild. just because you want to procreate don't mean others should take care of you.
Our bodies belong to us. No fascist or communist government should have the power to dictate who has children and how many children they can have.
We were also born with the ability to kill, rape and steal. Does this mean society cannot prohibit this god given ability, if it infringes on other peoples rights and produces more harm than good? Not everything what is natural is also good, just like not everything what is artificial is bad.
if i apply your logic of preventing bad parent to your first point about, killing raping and stealing, then how come you are not calling for imprisonment of people who 'could' be potential criminals, who could be bad for society and who could effect children's lives after all it is not just the parents that can put children in danger. that's right we have to wait for a crime to be comitted first.
what is wrong with educating people? why is that not a option? is teaching children in schools to be responsible parents not a option? is changing the system into something that works so hard, you know making it so people are not dependent on handouts? why the leap into dictating the right to be a parent?
i support education, and giving back opportunity's to people, by getting rid of the safety net of benefits and providing jobs.
No, you do not understand what I am saying. The crime is commited when a person that cannot take care of its children procreates - a serious crime of irresponsible procreation, that the society and the child has to pay for. Only then, after this serious offense is commited, the punishment should come.
There is nothing wrong with educating people, etc. But that is not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is whether reproduction is a basic inalienable right. It is not, and there is nothing wrong with denying it when appropiate, too.
I support education, too! Jobs will not be provided just because you and I support it. Sometimes a job is not available, and to have some basic safety net is important in these cases. There is lots to improve in current safety net, often abused, but getting rid of it is not the way to go, IMHO. It would make some children suffer even more.
if you are proposing only stripping away that right after it has been proved the parent is incapable of looking after kids, then i would agree, abit like when somebody has been proved to treat animals cruelly, their right to keep animals is taken away.
i agree jobs are not on demand instantly, but over time it could be done. i am not proposing cutting of money, but i am proposing not getting it for 'free', some people will live of benefits because it is just there and they do not need to do anything for it, so by making them put in hours that would cover their benefit at minimum wage, they are both having to do something, and not opting to be on benefits because they do not want to work. benefits can be a trap the way it is currently, even if you do not want to be on it.
How would you propose the government control people's pro-creation, Maslo? What if people did not obey the government and had children the law forbade?
Originally posted by Maslo
I like the way China enforces their population control program, with a few modifications. After first offense that would be some combination of fines or increased taxes, low amount of jail time, or public work. This would get progressively harsher, up to forced (reversible) sterilizations for repeated offenders (these do happen, but are quite rare in China).
But I dont agree with late-term abortions, like in China.
Chinese policy is very succesful according to official numbers, it has prevented 300 million births.
Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by Maslo
In reading your response, Maslo, you so gross me out and disgust me with your inhumane and anti-freedom world view that it is best I just leave it there.
i must say that is not how i envisage your last response to me. by taking away the right to be parent after proving that you are incapable of looking after your kids (which does not include living on benefits), but actually causing harm through actions that are in your control (losing a job or lack of jobs is not something some people can control) then it would be right to take away the right to be a parent, just like with pets. but to limit peoples rights? or fine them? , increased taxes? make profit out of restricting peoples rights? and the first thing you say is population control. so your vision is not about making parents responsible and good parents and punishing bad ones, its about population control. which is wrong and is still taking away peoples rights to be parents regardless of their situation or how good they are at being parents or how responsible they are as a citizen.