Grape vine: Swine flu vaccine reactions

I appreciate that.. How can I ever take care of the ones I love enough?

I wish I knew my friend,unfortunally I don't... The father of my 10year old went behind my back and got our daughter vaccinated against MY will, he did not eaven know the name of the vaccine.. People response in fear, and they simply loose their rasjonell thaught's...

Best regards

Originally posted by unicorn1
Everything is not what it seems nefermore.

Interesting piece.

So... you think she was faking it originally?

Shes a damn good actress if that was the case.

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I have included some of the Animal ID stuff because it was the lead into the attempts to regulate all US farming. GMO, Animal ID and World Wide regulation of farming is an atempt to gain complete control of the food supply. This is pretty much a history of that power grab. The ist link is a history specifically of the USA.
HR 2749 Food Safety's Scorched Earth Policy | Farm Wars
farmwars.info...


Linking to A Solemn Walk through HR 875 grounds things in the facts:  www.opednews.com...

EU Farm to table information (note CODEX in What's New at bottom) ec.europa.eu...

Monsanto A Checkered History www.mindfully.org...
Bat and Bee die offs linked to GMO? informationliberation - Death of the Bees: GMO Crops and the Decline of Bee Colonies in North America
ww.informationliberation.com...

Horizontal Gene Transfer from GMOs Does Happen
www.i-sis.org.uk...



History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job
www.opednews.com...


THE SILENT WARS
Farms and Consumers vs Corporate driven Government policies
Recent History
"Food is a weapon," said Maxim Litvinov, Soviet Commissar of Foreign Affairs

Corporations are attacking our legal rights to grow our own food, here in the US and around the world, in a decades long plan to monopolize the corporate production of food and thus reap maximum profits... and worse, to develop control over populations and their ability to resist corporate and government takeover of other rights.
This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17 A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. www.sweetliberty.org...

Clinton on the World Trade Organization:
"We need the World Bank, we need the International Monetary Fund, we need all the big foundations, we need all the governments to admit that for 30 years we all blew it, including me, when I was President. We blew it. We were wrong to believe that food is like some other product in international trade. And we all have to go back to a more environmentally responsible, sustainable form of agriculture." Former US President Bill Clinton, in a keynote address for World Food Day on 23 October 2008

1944 to 2009,
World Bank and IMF use the loans they provide countries to prescribe policies and major changes in the economies of these countries. www.africaaction.org...
IMF Structural Adjustment Programs: The globalization of poverty www.doublestandards.org...
History of Structural Adjustment Policies by country: www.whirledbank.org...
Former employee Breaks Code of Silence on IMF crimes: www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

1948: failed attempt to create an International Trade Organization

1948 to 1994: the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) www.wto.org...

SPS measures were found in the original GATT Articles, mainly Article XX "General Exceptions," and later in the 1979 Tokyo Round Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade, a plurilateral agreement known as the Standards Code. The intent of the Agreement was to ensure that when SPS measures were applied, they were used only to the extent necessary to ensure food safety and animal and plant health, and not to unduly restrict market access for other countries (James and Anderson, 1998; Roberts, 1998). xstatic99645.tripod.com...

1960's HACCP(Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point system) is developed by Pillsbury.
Pathogen Reduction/Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (HACCP) Systems rule, on July 25, 1996 Under the HACCP rule, industry is responsible for assessing potential food safety hazards and systematically preventing and controlling those hazards. FSIS is responsible for verifying that establishments’ HACCP systems are working ..www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/Evolution_of_RBI_022007.pdf

1961 PVP is the Plant Variety Protection: The International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants: Gave seed companies a monopoly on only the commercial multiplication and the marketing of seeds. Farmers remained free to save seed from their own harvest to plant in the following year, and other breeders could freely use any variety, protected or not, to develop a new one. www.patentlens.net...

1980 the Supreme Court decision in Diamond v. Chakrabarthy, 447 U.S. 303 enabled living organisms to be patented www.wisbar.org.../CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&contentid=49620


1986 Global commodity prices slumped in the mid eighties, triggering a five fold increase in farm subsidies in the USA and the EU subsidy to double. Pressure from commodity exporters inspired a decision to pursue Agricultural Policy reform at Uruguay round of GATT. It was lead by Under Secretary of Agriculture Dan Amstutz. books.google.com...,+1986&source=bl&ots=g_NvagIp9r&sig=iNU3 jWVgC7LkAjkzuSQt6LyINfI&hl=en&ei=XF-gSavhGY-EtgeXjZz_DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA68,M1

Launched in 1986, the General Agreement on Tariffs & Trade (GATT) Uruguay Round of international trade talks has been dominated by a confrontation between the US and the EC over farm policy reform. Both sides proclaim their commitment to devising a GATT regime which will bring an end to the anarchy in world agricultural markets, yet neither is willing to address the underlying cause of the present malaise: structural over-production in their own farm sectors and the resulting accumulation of surpluses. The use of export subsidies to put these surpluses on to world markets caused developing countries severe trade and food security problems in the 1980s; and a Uruguay Round deal is unlikely to bring any relief. What it will do, however, is introduce new regulations which, enshrined in international trade law, will restrict the right of developing countries to manage their own food systems. Most importantly, the use of trade measures to control food imports and price support measures to promote staple food production could be severely constrained, or banned, by a 'farm superpower' GATT agreement. www.informaworld.com...=a769339885~db=all

The U.S. comprehensive proposal for agricultural trade reform in October 1989 covereds
* market access: convert all nontariff barriers to bound tariffs;
make substantial cuts in these and existing tariffs over 10 years;
use tariff rate quotas and safeguard measures to facilitate transition;
- export competition: phase out export subsidies over five years;
prohibit export restrictions on foodstuffs imposed
because of short domestic supplies;
* internal support: phase out most trade-distorting measures;
discipline those that interfere less; permit those with small
trade effect that meet specific criteria;
* sanitary and phytosanitary measures: place these under an international process for dispute settlement and harmonization. www-wds.worldbank.org/external/default/WDSContentServer/WDSP/IB/1999/12/30/000178830_98101901511298/.../multi_page.txt


1991 PVP monopoly has applied to seed multiplication and also to the harvest and sometimes the final product as well. Previously unlimited right of farmers to save seed for the following year

planting has been changed into an optional exception. Only if national government allows, can farm-saved seed still be used, and a royalty has to be paid to the seed company even for seeds grown on-farm. www.grain.org...

1993 Published: International HACCP guidelines developed by the Codex Alimentarius, a joint Programme of the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)and the World Health Organization (WHO). revised in 1997. www.fao.org...

1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) www.ces.ncsu.edu...

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1995 World Trade Organization (WTO) formed. Former Cargill Vice-President, Dan Amstutz, drafts the original text of the Uruguay Round Agreement on Agriculture. www.zmag.org...
"Measures to trace animals...to provide assurances on...safety ..have been incorporated into international standards... The Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures...Aims to ensure that governments DO NOT USE QUARANTINE AND FOOD SAFETY REQUIREMENTS as Unjustified trade barriers... It provides Member countries with a right to implement traceability [NAIS] as an SPS measure." www.wto.org...

“Development of risk-based systems has been heavily influenced by the WTO Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures ” OIE report Oct 2008 www.oie.int...

Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) introduction of intellectual property rules on plants, animals and seeds under WTO’s Agreement “could damage the livelihoods of these 1.4 billion farmers worldwide and undermine food sovereignty and food security ” Joint Communication from the African Group to the Council for Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (2003) www.fao.org...



September 1995,Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Program, and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Agriculture, stated "Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some may call that bribery. We do not apologize." UN's 4th World Conference on Women: Beijing, China. ngin.tripod.com...

September, 1995, USDA's Food Safety & Inspection Service presented a 600-page document Farm-To-Table - control of every step in the food chain from production to home preparation. haccpalliance.org...


July 1996 Major re-structuring of USDA food policies: Pathogen Reduction/Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (HACCP) Systems rule, www.fsis.usda.gov...

This now applies to crops too:
1996 The destruction of animals, Disposal procedures and Decontamination operation procedures published www.fao.org...

Efforts of Food inspectors to bring problems with HACCP ignored by USDA management
Apr 17, 2008 Testimony:Mr. Stan Painter, Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals: December 2004 Union president Stan Painter receive reports from union member that SRM regulations are not uniformly enforced. Painter writes to the Assistant FSIS Administrator for Field Operation about enforcement problem. USDA responses by placed Painter on disciplinary investigation status and contacts the USDA Office of Inspector General about filing criminal charges.

It (the recall of Hallmark/Westland Meat) highlights one of the problems that we have attempted to raise with the agency ever since 1996 when the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP) inspection system was put in place. There seems to be too much reliance on an honor system for the industry to police itself. While the USDA investigation is still on going at Hallmark/Westland, a couple of facts have emerged that point to a system that can be gamed by those who want to break the law. It (HACCP) shifted the responsibility for food safety over to the companies .
December 2004 Freedom of Information Act requests
August 2005 Over 1000 non-compliance reports – weighing some 16 pounds -- were turned over domesticpolicy.oversight.house.gov...

"Freedom to Farm" legislation of 1996. Cargill played a significant role in pressurising the US government to move away from its farmer support programmes and eventually adopt the Federal Agricultural Improvement and Reform Act archive.corporatewatch.org...

April 16, 1999 A veritable who's who of corporate agribusiness writes a letter to Clinton about WTO meeting in Seattle: They want to establishment a three year goal, and a more effective set of trade rules for the agricultural sector www.thecalamityhowler.com...

2001 Issues for the Agricultural Talks and WTO Trade Round: “The un-scientific so-called “precautionary principle” is unfortunately being successfully and constantly misused as justification to immobilize science and its applications, as well as to confuse the public. ..The so-called principle, which is in fact a concept rather than a principle, is indeed a wonderful tool to avoid delicate political decision. .. the so-called precautionary principle - in reality a concept rather than a scientific principle - should not be used as a tool to stop innovation, even under the guise of a moratorium, which is what has happened in the EU today. There will always be scientific uncertainty in any scientific field and reasonable approaches to risk management must be adopted to manage this uncertainty. Prohibition must only be used as an extreme risk management tool. Abuses of the precaution concept to justify political positions, or to cloak distorting import restriction policies, should equally be avoided and expressively exposed. The European Commission’s recent white paper was helpful in clarifying the limits to be set on the use of the so-called “precautionary principle.”

The internationalization of the food chain demands that identification, registration, tracking and tracing systems also become internationalized. After 31 years with Monsanto, Mr. Auxenfans, retired from the Monsanto Corporation at the end of 1999 as the former Chief Operating Officer (COO) of the Agricultural Division, and its Chairman for the Europe-Africa operations. He is a member of the Board of Directors at both the IPC and the IAMA.

Senate - March 28, 2000 "Freedom to Farm" becomes “freedom to fail” The bill has made sweeping changes in agriculture--it has produced one of the worst economic crises that rural American has ever experienced. tens of thousands of farm families are in jeopardy of losing their livelihoods and life savings. thomas.loc.gov...:S28MR0-0011:

July 2000, USDA officials claimed in court hearing that, “The farmers have no rights. No right to be heard before the court, no right to independent testing, and no right to question the USDA.”Linda Faillace: Mad sheep www.vtcommons.org...

2001 Polish entry into the European Union:EU Chair states intent to remove 1 million Poles from their land The Battle to Save the Polish Countryside: www.i-sis.org.uk...

July 26, 2002: Report Finds Fundamental Flaws in WTO's Agreement on Agriculture: Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy report argues that the Agreement on Agriculture fails to account for agri-business' monopoly over global agricultural trade. www.socialfunds.com...

2002, the National Institute of Animal Agriculture (NIAA) began a major push for NAIS (traceability). www.jimhightower.com...

2002 Effect of policies on farmers in USA and Mexico: Between 1995 and 2000, the prices US farmers receive for corn declined 33 percent, 42 percent for wheat, and 34 percent for soybeans. No wonder that since NAFTA went into effect 33,000 small farmers in the US have gone out of business— more than six times the pre-NAFTA rate. In Mexico, the price farmers receive for corn has plummeted 45 percent At least 1.5 million farmers have left their land. 900,000 people leave Mexico's land every year, a U.N. program says. According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% - from 2.3 million to 575, 000 www.globalexchange.org...

May, 2003, the European Patent Office in Munich granted a patent to Monsanto with the number EP 445929, with the simple title "plants", even though plants are not patentable in European Law. www.countercurrents.org...


January 30, 2004, Bush signed Homeland Security Presidential Directive-9, "to defend the agriculture and food system against terrorist attacks, major disasters, and other emergencies." USDA's Jeremy Stump, says, "It's from farm to fork." The order covers animals and crops - the entire food supply chain - and includes shared operations with the CIA. www.cbsnews.com...


January 2005: Guide to good farming practices: This draft guide to good farming practices for animal production food safety was taken from the Report of the Meeting of the OIE Terrestrial Animal Health Standards Commission (Paris, 17-28 January 2005) www.oie.int/boutique/extrait/25berlingueri823836_0.pdf?PHPSESSID=64969a28688594daf57a7263f42fb1ce
2005 Bill: Safe and Secure Food Act (Good Farming Practices) www.govtrack.us...

AUG 2005 Monsanto Pig Patent www.saynotogmos.org...

June 2006 Global Diversity Treaty: Standard Material Transfer Agreement (SMTA) a standardized contract that will enable much easier access to crop diversity. [ germplasm for patenting] royalty payment (1.1% of sales) is paid only if product is unavailable for further breeding and research. funds will be devoted to conservation efforts. Translation: Bio-techs Corporations steal seed from third world farmers, patents it and pay money to Bioversity International www.bioversityinternational.org...

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December 2006 “In the EU, there is now a list of 'official' vegetable varieties. Seed that is not on the list cannot be 'sold' to the 'public' To keep something on the list costs thousands of pounds each year...Hundreds of thousands of old heirloom varieties (the results of about eleven thousand years of plant breeding by our ancestors) are being lost forever . www.defra.gov.uk... & www.realseeds.co.uk... & www.euroseeds.org/pdf/ESA_03.0050.1.pdf"

Feb 2007 GRAIN press release USA: Seed companies want to ban farm-saved seeds
A new report from GRAIN reveals the new lobbying offensive from the global seed industry to make it a crime for farmers to save seeds for the next year's planting. See History at www.gmfreeireland.org...

Feb 2007: U.S. Department of Agriculture’s “risk-based” inspection plan: Food Safety and Inspection Service will focus more on plants (factories) judged to have a higher risk of contamination. (if there are no complaints or non Compliance reports no inspections made) articles.latimes.com...

In terms of energy output compared with energy input for ethanol production, the study found that:
corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced;
switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced; and
wood biomass requires 57 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.
www.futurepundit.com...

Feb 2007 Clones declared save: FDA decides based on “risk assessment” that meat and milk from adult clones and their offspring are as safe to consume as those from standard animals. portland.indymedia.org...

2007 “In 1981, there were 181 FSIS employees per billion pounds of meat and poultry inspected and passed; in FY 2007, FSIS employed fewer than 88 workers per billion pounds “ domesticpolicy.oversight.house.gov...

April 2007 Monsanto, Cargill and Maseca-ADM sign agreements to establish regional seed banks in the center and south of Mexico. www.counterpunch.org...

September 2007 Arctic Seed Vault www.physorg.com...

January 8 2008 ~In the UK Defra has dropped the word 'farming' from its title. "Defra and the Treasury's joint vision document of 2006 presented to the EU argued that supports for farming should be completely abandoned.." www.warmwell.com...

May 2008 Bio-tech companies lobby to lift ban against terminator gene www.gmfreeireland.org...

10/29/2008 Use of Process Indicators for Ranking Processing and Slaughtering Establishments in FSIS Public Health Risk-based Inspection System www8.nationalacademies.org...

May 2008:Creekstone Farms loses appeals for right to test for BSE www.animallaw.info...

Documents USDA cuts in inspection until 2002 www.organicconsumers.org...

Who's who in Corporate take over of food. www.politicalfriendster.com...

FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry...An effective seed regulation harmonization process involves dialogue amongst all relevant stakeholders from both private and public sectors. Seed quality assurance, variety release, plant variety protection, biosafety, plant quarantine and phytosanitary issues are among the major technical areas of a regional harmonized seed system. The key to a successful seed regulation harmonization is a strong political will of the governments involved www.fao.org...

In the EU, there is now a list of 'official' vegetable varieties. Seed that is not on the list cannot be 'sold' to the 'public' To keep something on the list costs thousands of pounds each year...Hundreds of thousands of old heirloom varieties (the results of about eleven thousand years of plant breeding by our ancestors) are being lost forever, due to some rather poorly drafted EU legislation. www.realseeds.co.uk... & www.euroseeds.org/pdf/ESA_03.0050.1.pdf"

Farmer suicides in India: Now the full toll—surely among the largest sustained waves of suicides in human history—is becoming apparent. And as Sainath emphasizes, these numbers still underestimate the disaster, since women farmers are excluded from the official statistics... It is important that the figure of 150,000 farm suicides is a bottom line estimate.... As Professor Nagaraj puts it: "There is likely to be a serious underestimation of suicides...what has driven the huge increase in farm suicides, particularly in the Big Four or ’Suicide SEZ’ States? "Overall," says Professor Nagaraj, "there exists since the mid-90s, an acute agrarian crisis. That’s across the country. In the Big Four and some other states, specific factors compound the problem.... Cultivation costs have shot up in these high input zones, with some inputs seeing cost hikes of several hundred per cent... Meanwhile, prices have crashed, as in the case of cotton, due to massive U.S.-EU subsidies to their growers. All due to price rigging with the tightening grip of large corporations over the trade in agricultural commodities." alternatives-international.net...
www.counterpunch.org...

Animal ID system is a Fiasco in Austrailia Australia Beef Association nonais.org...

The other Big player: Cargill archive.corporatewatch.org...

2007 farm bill: an analysis: co.blaine.id.us...

“In a sweeping move that has garnered surprisingly little attention this week the United States and the European Union have signed up to a new transatlantic economic partnership that will see regulatory standards “harmonized” and will lay the basis for a merging of the US and EU into one single market, a huge step on the path to a new globalized world order.” The BBC reported (news.bbc.co.uk...) from the Summit in Washington on Monday: stopspp.com...
During the debate on approving the WTO Agreement, Congress was justifiably worried that the multinational pact was in conflict with U.S. Sovereignty. Arguments for ratification were vehemently endorsed by Clinton Administration officials who were eager to get the agreement passed Congress. Congressional fears were lulled by pointing out Congress is ultimately responsible for changing the laws of the United States; and second, the U.S. is entitled to withdraw from the WTO. Also a feature of the Uruguay Round agreements are described as follows:
United States Law to Prevail in Conflict The URAA puts U.S. sovereignty and U.S. law under perfect protection. According to the Act, if there is a conflict between U.S. and any of the Uruguay Round agreements, U.S. law will take precedence regardless when U.S. law is enacted. § 3512 (a) states: "No provision of any of the Uruguay Round Agreements, nor the application of any such provision to any person or circumstance, that is inconsistent with any law of the United States shall have effect." Specifically, implementing the WTO agreements shall not be construed to "amend or modify any law of the United States, including any law relating to (i) the protection of human, animal, or plant life or health, (ii) the protection of the environment, or (iii) worker safety", or to "limit any authority conferred under any law of the United States, including section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974." www.eastlaw.net...

USDA is moving toward supporting fewer labs nationwide, with the remaining labs serving as regional labs and supporting larger geographic areas. Texas Animal Health Commission
The first-point testing program is the “early warning system” for the brucellosis program, enabling detection of infection prior to sale of cattle within the state. With the discontinuation of first-point testing, slaughter testing will become the primary method for brucellosis surveillance. Texas Animal Health Commission www.tahc.state.tx.us...

NAFTA and WTO in Mexico: www.rethinkingschools.org...
NAFTA and WTO in Mexico: www.countercurrents.org...

Good farming practices lead to transition to sustaniable Agriculture Slide prsentation to FAO Source: www.fao.org...

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Although only anecdotal ,I have on efriend who blacked out after getting the vaccine and became ill, and another child I know of had the vaccine and is now hospitalized with the illness to a severe degree.

After the Jack in the Box E. coli outbreak in 1993, the USDA decided to move to the HACCP system of inspection. Based on the idea that the plant operator knows the plant better than the USDA, the responsibility for designing an inspection system was turned over to each individual plant.
According to John Munsell, Manager, Foundation for Accountability in Regulatory Enforcement (FARE), when USDA “officials initially described HACCP to the industry in the mid-90’s, the agency made the following enticing promises:
“Under HACCP, the agency will implement a ‘Hands Off’ role in meat inspection.
“Under HACCP, the agency will no longer police the industry, but the industry will police itself.
“Under HACCP, the agency will disband its previous command and control authority.
“Under HACCP, each plant will write its own HACCP Plan, and the agency cannot tell plants what must be in their HACCP Plans.”
As a result, the plant operator was required to identify potential hazards and the critical points in the process where those hazards could come into play. The plan would then identify procedures that would be used to minimize the hazard risk at those control points. The plant would be responsible for the implementation of the plan.
As a result, the inspector was no longer responsible for what was happening on the plant floor: that was left to company personnel. The new role of the inspector was to make sure that plant personnel were carrying out their duties in a manner consistent with the HACCP plan. In many cases this amounted to making sure that all of the paper work was in the proper order.
www.agpolicy.org...







The WTO and the Politics of GMO is a very good article describing the players involved in the World Wide food grab and how they did it.
www.publiceyeonscience.ch...


I hope that helps. People do not realize how close we are skirting starvation since Cargill and the Grain traders got rid of our surplus food supply stores. We are one bad harvest away from starvation!

Monsanto GM-corn harvest fails massively in South Africa www.digitaljournal.com...

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I have been trying to keep up with the side effects of the mass vaccinations of swine flu, but no even death statistics on the swine flu itself is been kept by the CDC unless is related to pneumonia cases, this tells that anything related to deaths or paralysis from the swine flu vaccine will be kept under the table unless the side effects are too much to hide.

I have been researching and beside just sporadic cases of people that knows people that got sick from vaccination is all I am getting.

This is great for conspiracy theories but not for statistical facts.

Well it seems that the government launched an "effort" to track the side effects of the vaccine, but is going to compare the death, miscarriages and allergic reactions to the existing database of weekly of the same in our nation,

CDC is racing to compile a list of what's normal: 25,000 heart attacks every week; 14,000 to 19,000 miscarriages every week; 300 severe allergic reactions called anaphylaxis every week.

Any spike would mean fast checking to see if the vaccine really seems to increase risk and by how much, so health officials could issue appropriate warnings.

So it seems that the side effects will be buried under what the doctor deems "normal statistics".

Government to track side effects of swine-flu shots


www.baynews9.com...



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First Guillain-Barre they have admitted.
www.msnbc.msn.com...

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Wow! It's going to take quite a while to check out all of your sources. It's definitely a bunch of things that need focused upon. Will continue to examine your sources.

No consequence..

Thank you.

Originally posted by Zerra
Although only anecdotal ,I have on efriend who blacked out after getting the vaccine and became ill, and another child I know of had the vaccine and is now hospitalized with the illness to a severe degree.

Can you specify the illness?

No consequencE..

Thank you.

Originally posted by marg6043
I have been researching and beside just sporadic cases of people that knows people that got sick from vaccination is all I am getting.

This is great for conspiracy theories but not for statistical facts.

Agreed. I am hoping a whistle blower might do the right thing and alert us somehow assuming it's true; but like I said, I'd rather it not be.

Also I have heard it more than I've mentioned but just not from very discreet sources. Only the two mentioned in OP fit into the, "take it serious" category.

Edit to add: So basically, the same ones that put the Georgia Guide stones up are going to keep track of the reactions.

No consequencE..

Thank you.

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I don't know of anyone personally that has taken it, but I've seen comments in threads on line from various women that they had miscarriages after taking it.

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`From what I'm gathering there are thousands of< "firsts" [Only 1 so far] going on here.. Too many to just write off.. And WHO's going to do nothing about it.

No consequencE..

Thank you.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by noconsequence]

The article from MSNBC goes on to mention that reporting of adverse effects of vaccinations, while supposedly being mandatory, are not enforced.

The article mentions that the case in the article was NOT reported to the CDC by the treating hospital (they checked). It also mentions the hospital REFUSED to let the reporter look at the boys charts, even WITH the permission of the father.

It seems the government and the medical industry very well could be involved in covering up the connection of GBS with this or any vaccination.

The article states that about 60-80 cases of GBS occur every week!!!
GBS is caused by the immune system attacking the nervous system. This is likely caused by an outside agent hyper-activating the immune system (Can you say vaccinations).

The cover up could be even larger than we dreamed. It seem that ANY vaccination could produce these results.

This mass vaccination may very well backfire on TPTB by waking up the public to the very real dangers involved in vaccinations.

Unless they are doing it on purpose for their own sinister reasons....

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My heart actually jumped in relief reading the bottom paragraph. Not that it's allright enough though; because damage did occur. And for that there is no excuse. They can not be that ignorant; unless you are simply counting selfish greed with conscious disregard for the human race as ignorance..

They really and truly DO NOT CARE if some one dies. It is all about money not people and it REALLY REALLY makes me mad. This will give you an idea of how traitorous our politicians are and how sick the laws in this country have become.

Read up about Law Enforcement and Civil Forfeiture --- These are people who we PAY to care about the innocent!

Under civil asset forfeiture laws, the simple possession of cash, with no drugs or other contraband, can be considered evidence of criminal activity....

"Even if you're a law-abiding citizen who's never been convicted of a crime, local police are allowed to confiscate your property and money and keep up to 80 percent of it for themselves, with the legal stipulation that this windfall be spent only on programs likely to result in additional confiscations where the police can keep up to 80 percent of the booty for themselves,"

...stories across the nation documented hundreds of cases of innocent citizens wrongfully deprived of their homes, businesses and livelihoods. Eighty percent of property forfeited to the US during the previous decade was seized from owners who were never even charged with a crime!

...Even a false statement on a loan application can trigger forfeiture. Physicians are subject to forfeiture of their entire assets based on a clerical errors in medicare billing. The government even tried to forfeit a farmer's tractor for allegedly running over an endangered rat.

the narcotics units studied preferred seizing cash intended for purchase of drugs supplied by the police, rather than confiscating drugs already on the street. When asked why a search warrant would not be served on a suspect known to have resale quantities of contraband, one officer responded:
"Because that would just give us a bunch of dope and the hassle of having to book him (the suspect). We've got all the dope we need in the property room, just stick to rounding up cases with big money and stay away from warrants."

In one case an agency instructed the researcher to observe the suspect's daily transactions reselling a large shipment of coc aine so that officers could postpone making the bust until after the majority of the drug shipment was converted to cash. This case was only one of many in which the goal was profit rather than reducing the supply of drugs reaching the street.
www.fear.org...

Then there is Food.
This quote is from "The online home of POULTRY and meatingplace magazines" a Trade Magazine with a discussion of the HACCP regs brought into effect thanks to the World Trade Organization in 1996. John Munsell tried to get the USDA to investigate e-coli contamination in meat he recieived from ConAgri, the USDA refused. A woman died. Link to article By Marler Clark - Bill Marler, liability attorneys

They show a callous disregard for what is happening on the meat production line, or the high probability that enteric pathogens come into the plant in incoming shipments. Naw, let's dissect written records instead. Egads, HACCP has degenerated into a paper chase, so we should not be surprised when outbreaks and recalls continue.....

Prior to HACCP's advent, the agency promised that under the HACCP umbrella, that the agency would no longer police the industry, and that the industry would be liberated to police itself. Also, the agency promised to maintain a "Hands Off" non-involvement role. So, when ongoing problems occur now, what in the heck can the agency do? Answer: at the big plants, nothing.....
www.meatingplace.com...

Yup folks, we are being robbed and poisoned. Now Congress wants to regulate, license and fine our farms and home gardens so we can not escape the contaminated factory processed genetically modified food Monsanto wants to sell us. Read History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job

Knowing the total disregard for human life shown by the examples above, I am not at all surprised a questionable vaccine is being pushed on the innocent public.

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Is going to be a cover up of the vaccine side effects bury within the government statistics already on going on the same subject and issues without the vaccine.

That is the problem, the government will make sure that deaths, miscarriages and allergic reactions will stay within the regular statistics and not additional information will be given to the public.

That is deception.

Originally posted by hadriana
I don't know of anyone personally that has taken it, but I've seen comments in threads on line from various women that they had miscarriages after taking it.

Sorry didn't see post yet. Yeah; I've heard that, but have no links for myself, much less ATS. Thing is> I am sure just being the result of the endless information I have read just through ATS; without mentioning the rest that conclusively/admittedly [Georgia Guide-stones], say something is, "awry".

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Originally posted by FortAnthem
The article from MSNBC goes on to mention that reporting of adverse effects of vaccinations, while supposedly being mandatory, are not enforced.

They allready made their stance on that obvious when they said the vaccine companies would not be responsible for negative reactions..

The article mentions that the case in the article was NOT reported to the CDC by the treating hospital (they checked). It also mentions the hospital REFUSED to let the reporter look at the boys charts, even WITH the permission of the father.

How can people know that cruel lack of true responsibility/accountability is unacceptable enough?

It seems the government and the medical industry very well could be involved in covering up the connection of GBS with this or any vaccination.

Reminds me of the moderators avatar where the frog is beginning to boil in the water.

The article states that about 60-80 cases of GBS occur every week!!!
GBS is caused by the immune system attacking the nervous system. This is likely caused by an outside agent hyper-activating the immune system (Can you say vaccinations).

With resulting, "reactions" possible long after the, "jab"; being the result of your own immune system forced to fight itself; No?

The cover up could be even larger than we dreamed. It seem that ANY vaccination could produce these results.

And as simply as we allready knew it to be.. They have tricked me into vaccinating my children enough!!

This mass vaccination may very well backfire on TPTB by waking up the public to the very real dangers involved in vaccinations.

Doubt it; not with-out intervention. I was told we, [the human, "race"] were the cattle; and these, "elite guys" were the cattle farmers; by the horses mouth, from my perspective.. I'm thinking the ones really running the show have more experience in, "shutting humanity down" than I was previously aware of.

Yup..

Unless they are doing it on purpose for their own sinister reasons....

That makes all the sense in the world to me. One time a very negative person told me they/he used, "controlled confusion".

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Thank you.