Amen Grady, Amen.

I made this a year or two ago, I forget which. This seems like a good thread for it.

Can anyone cite a specific example of how any American military action SINCE WW2 has had anything to do with any AMERICAN'S freedom? And don't try to use the bombings of the al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in October, 2001 as an example, since there has been no real evidence to support the justification for it, 9/11, as being what the government-MSM claim it is/was. Can anyone cite anything that isn't mere rhetoric, opinion or emotion concerning American "freedoms" being achieved by its military since WW2? Let the crickets chirp... or the hollow, baseless, rhetorical bashing begin.

The way I see it, and my contemporaries agree, we, as Americans do the things the anti-war crowd deem to be un-acceptable, because they, themselves lack the balls to do it themselves.
Thats fine, but when abdullah comes to take your grand-daughter away because she was driving a car, ...
I did what I could. you cowards.
While you hid behind political correctness, I ate bugs.
While you defended the right of someone you grew-up 5,000 miles from their reality to beat their women, I slept in the cold.

While I watched the medic take pieces of my flesh so as to sew the pieces that were viable back together, and no aenesthetic, cause that was for the guys that were "really" hurt, I didn't think of the traitors like you.
I thought, I love America, and I am glad I did this so someone else didn't.
You think happy talk gets you through life?
So did the Germans in 1932.

*edit* I'm going to bed because 6:00 comes quick.
even with my crap, I go to work every day, I could say put that in your pipe and smoke it, but I don't want to contribute to the delinquency...
.

[edit on 11/11/2009 by LAUGHING-CAT]

Nice post, Grady. Our serviceperson's need our support, as do thier

families. I spent yesterday with my son at Camp Geiger. He graduated

MCT,and is off to the stumps for more training! Their parents were proud

of those young men and women and rightly so. But you could also see

their fear also. So while we're supporting our troops let's also rember the

the families are going thru.

Semper Fi!

PS I was at Geiger 30 years ago. Things have changed so much!

Thank you for the thread Grady.

Tallcool1, Veterans Day is to reflect upon, acknowledge & honor the service & sacrifice of those who served. If you served with Honor, this is your day too. Don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.
........

A sincere, proud & humble thank you to, & prayer for..

my fellow veterans: known & unknown. It is an honor to have served with, if not alongside, you.

those who came before us: for showing us the meaning of valor & honor when no one is watching, & paying the price for our freedom

our parents: who taught us strength, courage of conviction, personal responsibility & the importance of knowing peace with the man in the mirror

our families: who give us the strength to carry on when at times we don't have enough within ourselves, & remind us why we do what we do, when at times its hard to remember

our communities: who provide a hug or a shoulder to our loved ones, when we can't be there to wrap our arms around them

those who will come after us: for fighting to preserve what you will inherit, & not having let it all have been for naught.

I salute you. God Bless & Happy Veterans Day!

EDIT: danged keyboard can't spell.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by AtlasShrugging]

Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
Can anyone cite a specific example of how any American military action SINCE WW2 has had anything to do with any AMERICAN'S freedom? And don't try to use the bombings of the al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in October, 2001 as an example, since there has been no real evidence to support the justification for it, 9/11, as being what the government-MSM claim it is/was. Can anyone cite anything that isn't mere rhetoric, opinion or emotion concerning American "freedoms" being achieved by its military since WW2? Let the crickets chirp... or the hollow, baseless, rhetorical bashing begin.

I guess I would ask what you define as "military action". Every time the fleet ballistic missile submarine that I served aboard in the 80's, the USS Stonewall Jackson, went on a deterrent patrol for 70-80 days, I consider that a "military action. My shipmates and I sacrificed our lives every time the diving alarm sounded and we lived with the radiation from the warheads and the reactor and the pressure of the water above us to protect our country from an attack from foreign superpowers.

American freedoms WERE protected by the deterrence of foreign attack 24/7 365 days a year.

You might hear crickets.......all I heard was the hum of the turbines 600 feet below the surface.

I Remember

Here's to us, one and all
Who heard the message and answered the call
To break away from the old mainstream and live our lives on a submarine
Sub School gave us the chance to pass the test
To declare that we were The Best of the Best.
When we left New London with orders in hand
We all headed out on different courses for distant, faraway lands.
Some went East coast some went West
But no matter where you ended up, your first boat's the best.
You reported on board not knowing what to think
But now you're known to all as a nub and a dink.

You learn about Tradition and learn about Pride,
You learn about Honor and the men who have died,
You learn about the heritage that's been passed on to you
Because now you're considered one of the crew.
You study that boat from bow to stern
From the conning tower to the bilges, it's your duty to learn
Where and what makes that boat go, how it operates and in what direction it flows
How to charge those batteries and keep them alive or how to rig the boat for dive
Draw those systems fore and aft, blow the #ters, Check the draft
These are duties that you must glean when you live your life on a submarine
When you've learned all there is to know about your boat
You show 'em you know it, by your walk through vote
You go before the Qual Board, card in hand
Where they question and grill you to beat the band
And when you think you can take no more
They tell you to wait just outside the door.
For what seems like eons, Time stands still
And when they call you in, you feel quite ill!
But they congratulate you for doing so good
And welcome you into their Brotherhood.
Right of passage declares that you must drink your "fish".
And the tacking on process is not something you wish
But you wear those dolphins on your chest with pride
Because down deep in your heart, you know you're Qualif ied.

It seems like yesterday, it seems like a dream
That I truly lived on a submarine
Most Boats are gone, a memory of time
I wonder what happened to that crew of mine?
The Old Boats that are left, are all museums
And even if you rode 'em, you have to pay admission to see 'em.
So here's to us, those that remember
Who rode the boats out in all kinds of weather
To those past, present and even the future
To those young, hardy lads who still love adventure
So let's lift our glasses and have a toast
To the memory of those daring young sailors and their undersea boats.


[edit on 11/11/09 by StonyJ]

Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
Can anyone cite a specific example of how any American military action SINCE WW2 has had anything to do with any AMERICAN'S freedom?

Dear Dean Goldberry, your style betrays a simpleton.

If you don't know what "fleet in being" is, please look it up asap. It may widen your sadly limited horizons.


God bless USA. For whatever our faults are, we at least meant good. Sure we screwed up a few times. If you didn't - God bless your soul.

Just because you cared about liberating women in Afghanistan doesn't justify the occupation. I care about the war crimes going on in the congo but the American military doesn't seem to be interested in a place where there is no oil pipeline owned by U.S companies. The French have interests there so i guess that's their duty to intervene? Where do you get off picking and choosing which situation has more priority to intervene in? There are many women who prefer rule under the taliban to our occuptation. Look up the documentary Rethink Afghanistan.

If a foreign power invaded American soil or the soil of an allied nation I would sign up in a heartbeat but I refuse to be a part of a war that isn't justified. I'm no traitor. I probably care about America just as much as you do. I care enough to think critically and to dissent against unjust foreign policy objectives.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by The Transhumanist]

Originally posted by The Transhumanist


If a foreign power invaded American soil or the soil of an allied nation I would sign up in a heartbeat....

I can't say just how many times I've heard this in the last 45+ years.

Why would you want to fight the enemy here instead of before they get here?

The fact is that they are here. They bombed the WTC twice and murdered soldiers at Ft. Hood not to mention several other thwarted attacks since 9/11.

Why aren't you serving if they have to be here for you to get involved?

[edit on 2009/11/11 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
Is there a conspiracy, cover up or scandal you wish to discuss OP? If its just about the patriotism, it should go to BTS. Or is this a shameless flag hunt?

I chose Current Events because Veterans' Day is a current event. My opening post was a simple request that members remember those who serve their nations honorably and sometimes pay the ultimate price.

We have had plenty of other members who have provided the controversial and the conspiratorial content.

As for stars and flags, I think a review of my posting history shows that these are of little concern to me, although I have been fortunate to post a few threads and posts that met with broad approval and for that I am very grateful.

Veterans' Day will be over here where I am in about an hour. I'll pack away my patriotic avatar until next year, but my patriotism and my appreciation for the service others never wanes.

Semper Fidelis!

[edit on 2009/11/11 by GradyPhilpott]

Thank you guys/gals,
And God bless you!!

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by AntiWingnut
Oh I do ....to the military. Not cop scum.

Big deal. Intrepid is right, running along with your BS off-topic opinion.

Not off topic. It was a reply to a quote from another poster. I didn't just ttype it out of the blue. Oh well, I am done with this thread.

Truly a great thread.

My father is a veteran of the Gulf War, Operation Iraqi "Freedom", and Operation Enduring "Freedom". Regardless of how I feel about the credibility and motives behind these wars, he is truly a great and selfless man.

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
The way I see it, and my contemporaries agree, we, as Americans do the things the anti-war crowd deem to be un-acceptable, because they, themselves lack the balls to do it themselves.
Thats fine, but when abdullah comes to take your grand-daughter away because she was driving a car, ...
I did what I could. you cowards.
While you hid behind political correctness, I ate bugs.
While you defended the right of someone you grew-up 5,000 miles from their reality to beat their women, I slept in the cold.

While I watched the medic take pieces of my flesh so as to sew the pieces that were viable back together, and no aenesthetic, cause that was for the guys that were "really" hurt, I didn't think of the traitors like you.
I thought, I love America, and I am glad I did this so someone else didn't.
You think happy talk gets you through life?
So did the Germans in 1932.

*edit* I'm going to bed because 6:00 comes quick.
even with my crap, I go to work every day, I could say put that in your pipe and smoke it, but I don't want to contribute to the delinquency...
.

[edit on 11/11/2009 by LAUGHING-CAT]

Werent you paid to do all that with army provided remuneration, health care, housing, food and other facilities including item discounts etc. You did work for which you were paid for...come and brag about it when/if you do it to help other people or nation without asking anything in return.

Even a public toilet cleaner get's paid for his work while everyone else uses them, where's your thanks to them?

Originally posted by December_Rain

Even a public toilet cleaner get's paid for his work while everyone else uses them, where's your thanks to them?

you are right. When one of them takes a bullet to save my ass, I will be sure to say thanks. Until then, I will just tell him he is doing a good job.