Hoagiland is a tool. Period. He peaked my interest in the beginning, but after listening to his outlandish claims and narcissistic carrying on, I wouldn't doubt he tried to take credit for this photo as something else.

Hoagland lies all the time. Hoagland has been saying for over 12 years that I know of that disclosure is coming next week.

Wait, you do realize Hoagland is just an entertainer, right?

He's a story teller, presenting his fictional world as the real world. It's just entertainment man.

To say you caught him in a lie means you got caught confusing fact with fiction.

Same goes for a lot of C2C guests. It's an entertainment show but they do sometimes have on real people with real stories, but Hoagland is most definitely NOT on of those people.

He has been riding on that "I was a science adviser on CBS." BS for 40 years now.

I don't find him credible and even more so since he hooked up with David Wilcock who thinks dinosaurs are time travelers.

Good catch. I listen to Hoagland very carefully and I have notice a few things lately. He did a C2C interview and blasted Edgar Mitchell.He claims Edgar had his memory wiped thats why he doesnt remember seeing anything. Now....what im getting from him is that anyone who doents "see" things the way he does is either an dis info agent or a liar or just doesnt remember. In another interview for C2C he commented on David Wilcox "disclosure" comment. Now get this he says that David is being lied to by some insiders and he shouldnt trust them.

Here is a guy who says he has "insiders" that he uses as sources that only collaberates (sp) what he alreadyknows. ......ok. But here is the thing that blows it for him imo. A very thin almost non existant atmosphere was found by the chinese I think. Hoagland claims that this atmosphere wasnt there when the Apollo missions where there why? because he saw the data. So if NASA is lying about about a moon base run by humans from earth,tampering with pics and so on the thought that he could be looking at false data couldnt be the case here is the kicker....the reason for the atmosphere just popping up out of nowhere is because...wait for it........air locks being open at the secret nazi moon bases

I use to be a fan of Hoagland.Not that I belived what he says it was his way of using "real" data to express his views. As with everthing I do I take new info on the subject of aliens and ruins on the moon and mars with a pinch of salt. It seems that every since this "disclosure at the end of the year" thing came about things are tasting really salty lately.

Even thou I believe in the possiblity of intellegent alien life and the possibilty that we may have been visited my brains have not fallen out of my head. Thanks for keeping it real Shrike its guys like you that keep guys like me in check

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Tricky63]

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Tricky63]

Yes, why bother trying to catch such an ignorant fool like Hoagland in a lie? The man makes stuff up all the time. There is an invisible elf that lives under my desk and has a thing for wide brimmed hats. Prove me wrong. Can't? Well, then I must be right.

Trying to discredit Hoagland is impossible, so don't bother. It's not impossible because he is right about anything or can back up what he asserts, just impossible because the people that worship at the alter of Hoagland are just as blind and as ignorant as he is, and any attempt you make to show these fools the light falls on deaf ears anyway.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
Wait, you do realize Hoagland is just an entertainer, right?

He's a story teller, presenting his fictional world as the real world. It's just entertainment man.

To say you caught him in a lie means you got caught confusing fact with fiction.

Same goes for a lot of C2C guests. It's an entertainment show but they do sometimes have on real people with real stories, but Hoagland is most definitely NOT on of those people.

You're right, I misnamed the thread. I should have used the wod "hoax" instead of "lie." I should have given this more thought but I wanted to get it on the record before Hoagland's page was changed.

hhmm.. I don't see the hoax. Yes. I believe the guy is brilliant. and I can tell you that he stole my work as well. I won't though because THAT would be a lie. I read through all of this and, though, Im not deaf, I do follow hoaglands works pretty well. WHy? because for hogland to be a hoaxter, why would he post not only his findings and referendum, but how he came to the conclusion as well, mathematical algorithms and all that, and allow users to do the math themselves, to check his teams work? Secondly all the credit he received he gives to his team mates as well, and as for making money, where do you come to that conclusion? yes he makes a small bit from his seminars, but he also pays the people that do the majority of the work, the set up and all the PR stuff too.

And as stated above, yes.. he even said he flipped the photo over, because thats somethign NASA does as well. HE flipped it over because when in reverse it lookes exactly like what he intended to show..... crystal ruins. I would say thats more saying "hey.. this is what I get out of this.. how about you?" Seriously man.. why stick to only flipping an image when the rest of your readers can do the same and know you are full of bullocks 40 yrs into the game? thats retarded... this thread is merely an over excited name calling session.. seriously, where do you get your info? and you cannot tell me from Hoaglands site. I go there frequently.

Yes, I agree with you: "So obviously I'm missing something."

I would agree you are missing something as well OP. Try looking further into the guy. there is this neat tool called "Research" . this way you dont come off all fanatical and all that, but then again.. I am speaking to deaf ears as it is. You wont do the research, and you will carry on with this mind numbing bullocks regardless of whats said. THat being said.. have fun in your little arbitrary world.

Hoagland makes me laugh. Just the other week on C2C he was trying to link in the baby pram that rolled in front of the train in Australia with his 'Hyperdimensional Physics' predictions for 2012!

What The!

You have to laugh at the poor guys desperation for attention!



IRM

I really hate to be the outcast here in the discussion, but I'm having a difficult time understanding how this information is a lie or hoax by Hoagland, if you know how the information was presented on his site. Hoagland has been wrong about some things, but he has also been right about some things. I don't think anyone can deny that he's a pretty smart guy that doesn't make much money from any of this. The best scientists on the planet are also wrong about some things, and right about some things, by the way.

As for the photo in question, I have to say that it does not at all look like a landslide to me. Something about some of the shadows and the structure of some of the lines in the picture suggests to me that it isn't a landslide. Crystals? I don't know. I don't think Nasa is correct in saying they are landslides. Nasa has been wrong before, and Nasa has also lied before as well.