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Why is the Testors/Lazar S4 UFO identical to Meier's Beamship?

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:07 PM
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Ever since I saw the Testors S4 UFO plastic model kit advertised in 1990 or thereabouts, I thought that something was wrong somewhere. Back in the early 1980s I had become interested in Eduard "Billy" Meier's UFOs as promoted by Wendelle Stevens through Genesis III publishers. I bought the 2 books or photo journals and the video. I learned eventually that Meier was involved in a controversy regarding the veracity of his photos but it hadn't yet blown up as it eventually did. I had certain misgivings about the charges because even if the photos had been hoaxed I thought that the video showed improbability. I didn't consider that Meier could be that good in concocting such a successful hoax with one arm in the '70s with a simple 8mm and no computer technology to speak of. The one UFO or Pleadian craft (Beamship) that looked really good in the video was shown in a photo being suspended by a string. You can find this photo in google Images.

Moving on. When Lazar gained prominence based on his "exploits" while allegedly at Sector Four in Area 51 working, as he claimed, on reverse-engineering flying saucers. Enough prominence, it seems, that a film about him is in the works. I wrote yesterday to the producer, Stephen Furst, to bring his attention to this Testors/Lazar/Meier "connection" but, unfortunately the email addy I got was no good and my email was returned undelivered.

I'm wonderin' who initiated contact whether Lazar with Testors or the other way around and what transpired at the meetings between the two and if Meier's Beamships ever came up because as you will see in the photos below, they are identical!

Lazar is constantly mentioned in various threads here and so is Meier except Meier is vilified as a hoaxer. Meier may have earned this reputation but then the question becomes: "Did Lazar really work on a flying saucer that is identical to Meier's Beamships giving Meier some credence?"

Look at the illustrations of the various Beamships particularly the Version 2.

Meier's photo


Beamship illustrations


Testors S4 UFO/Lazar




[edit on 11-11-2009 by The Shrike]




posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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About time somebody made this connection.

I have heard that these thing fly worse than Christine.
I have also heard that the TR-3B is much more stable. Poor Billy thought that the pretty blond Alien was a girl and didn't realize that he was messing with Semjaza (The Book of Enoch). His trust in it got him really screwed.

Slowly, everything is coming out.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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People make saucers that way.
They build ships with a big cone or pyramid coil in the center.
Or flat on the floor.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Why does my car look just like yours ?



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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The Triangle has the same system inside.
Only flat top and bottom and sides.
Light from the same big flat spiral voltage pulsing coil as can be
seen in photos of the Triangle, with enhanced or original copies
to see better details.
Who knew, the triangle flies too.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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Well if billy and lazar both took a crap in a bucket i would be hard pressed to tell the difference which is pretty much what they have done. They have taken huge craps all over UFology.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
People make saucers that way.
They build ships with a big cone or pyramid coil in the center.
Or flat on the floor.



Sorry to bother you with a potentially time wasting question but by refering to people are you meaning human beings of this earth?
If so... would you have any pointers to begin falling down this rabbit hole?



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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ghost, he (tesla member) up there thinks all the UFO's are from Tesla's designs lol. I mean every single one of them. He is a big big fan. And what's more, he spouts it as absolute gospel.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Can't do lol on ats but I don't do the ET gospel on UFOs.
Mostly cause I heard about aliens and ufos in the 50s with
all the movies.
But I had also picked up a ufo magazine one weekend and the
next week in school the teacher had a Tesla coil.
I had heard of Tesla as the answer to the question who invented radio.
Hearing voices from the nothing, how could that be done or even thought of.
Well there was not much mention of Tesla in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and
90s until I searched the net a few years ago.
The notes and labs of his most important work, like electrical generators
that will put to shame the alternative energy solution of today, are
still locked away from his death in 1943. A death some think was
precipitated by visitors such as the FBI doing their duty to find out from
Tesla what the Germans were developing. They didn't find out but
some how found all his effects, some researchers might be after the
lost lab but that hooey, which were locked away. The only strange
flying thing of WWII is the Foo that fits Tesla's words on his aircraft.
Von Braun is suspected as taking the Tesla treasure trove to New
Mexico and making the saucers that flew over Washington D.C.
in the 50s.

Knowing the way Tesla operated coil circuits differently
than everyone else is a big help as electricity to mechanical
force (flight) is made without any mechanics.

So no ETs other than stories the secret agents set out to tell us
that hide the earthly construction of devices untold.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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You said: "...some researchers might be after the lost lab but that hooey
... "

There is no lost lab. It was located in Shoreham, Long Island, NY and not too long ago they showed investigators walking around the area and inside the building, especially in the basement.

I don't think that Tesla had anything to do with UFOs, or Foos nor: "Von Braun is suspected as taking the Tesla treasure trove to New Mexico and making the saucers that flew over Washington D.C. in the 50s."



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by vance
reply to post by GhostR1der
 


ghost, he (tesla member) up there thinks all the UFO's are from Tesla's designs lol. I mean every single one of them. He is a big big fan. And what's more, he spouts it as absolute gospel.


Not every single one. There was a post about a UFO, that was eventually identified as a flying turd. Seriously, it was a waste dump from the shuttle containing human waste. So far that's the only UFO post I've seen that member hasn't claimed was tesla powered, but yes pretty much all the others.


Originally posted by The Shrike
I'm wonderin' who initiated contact whether Lazar with Testors or the other way around and what transpired at the meetings between the two and if Meier's Beamships ever came up because as you will see in the photos below, they are identical!

Not quite identical, but pretty darn close, aren't they?

But it seems like there are some old sci-fi movies going all the way back to the 50's with similar shapes, I'll have to go look those up.

But it does seem possible that the similarity is no coincidence.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by The Shrike
reply to post by TeslaandLyne
 


You said: "...some researchers might be after the lost lab but that hooey
... "

There is no lost lab. It was located in Shoreham, Long Island, NY and not too long ago they showed investigators walking around the area and inside the building, especially in the basement.

I don't think that Tesla had anything to do with UFOs, or Foos nor: "Von Braun is suspected as taking the Tesla treasure trove to New Mexico and making the saucers that flew over Washington D.C. in the 50s."


Tesla had many labs and by the time he died the Shoreham lab
was sold off. However he announced larger and larger projects in
number of equipments that were non disclosure contracts.
His work was monitored by spies since before 1900 with the
advent of the liquid air process and continued to till death in 1943.
That's when the US found Germany was working on equipment
that the US government Defense Department had rejected
throughout his lifetime. The FBI put all Tesla effects in storage.
Spies could not get at them.

The well noted Von Braun came into the fore front to bolster the
Tesla research needed by Germany. Tesla's plans for an atomic
gas electric generator was in the German Navy hands since 1914.
Willy Ley, a microwave expert, was in New Mexico in a Rocket
Society co founded by Peter Van Dresser. Tesla's ether pressure
coils remnants were found in New Mexico showing the presence
of the technology needed by Germany and von Braun as he replaced
Ley before WWII. Von Braun thus had rocket engine improvements
and a better understanding of scalar waves.

So some lab material did not entirely go off in the FBI rail cars as
Shoreham was picked by thieves and Los Alamos had seven foot
coils forms. Only Tesla made scalar waves or ether pressure waves
with the cone coil, its the only thing that coil does when operated
properly at 1/4 wavelengths for electrostatic pulses. So perhaps
not so hooey as I said but not in New York where the FBI looked.
Also in Colorado Springs, the lab may have been used many times
as Wikipedia say Tesla left in 1900 and in some strange wording
as if Tesla never returned. I don't think so Wikipedia.

So Germany did work on Tesla inventions and Von Braun is
suspected in helping in working on Foos or saucers derived
from Tesla's work. The 1943 denial of Tesla material Von
Braun knew about and supported the gathering to further
any work in 1945. The Tesla material reportedly ending up in
Ohio and now finally in New Mexico. Out of New Mexico came
the saucers in the 50s over Washington D.C. to prove how
they worked.

ED: If its true, its Bill Lyne's research. As best I can relate it.
If not true then its fiction with world class players.

ED+:


showed investigators walking around the area and inside the building, especially in the basement.

Was this original film or a recreation?
Never saw original film footage of Tesla.

[edit on 11/13/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 11/13/2009 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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I am not sure why there is a possible connection, but I can tell you at least from my point of view that the illustrated UFO at that time and even up until now both appear to be so far more suppressing in our imagination of what a saucer should look like.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by krystalice
I am not sure why there is a possible connection, but I can tell you at least from my point of view that the illustrated UFO at that time and even up until now both appear to be so far more suppressing in our imagination of what a saucer should look like.





Makes you wonder if the holders of the wonder craft have a stake
in the mechanizing and publications and artwork.
And for every 2012 they can popularize, draws attention away
from the technology being hidden.
Its like you hide the technology and you get lots of money
from high profit films.

New York ran on the taxation of profits of Wall Street.
No problem letting people get millions when NY gets their tax money.
California would get taxes from the big studios.
Some one pays for holding on to the technology that might be destroyed
if the elite were smart.
The technology is restricted in many ways and the popular Tesla
coil is operated incorrectly. Thats how good the information is
held.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by krystalice
I am not sure why there is a possible connection, but I can tell you at least from my point of view that the illustrated UFO at that time and even up until now both appear to be so far more suppressing in our imagination of what a saucer should look like.





Makes you wonder if the holders of the wonder craft have a stake
in the mechanizing and publications and artwork.
And for every 2012 they can popularize, draws attention away
from the technology being hidden.
Its like you hide the technology and you get lots of money
from high profit films.

New York ran on the taxation of profits of Wall Street.
No problem letting people get millions when NY gets their tax money.
California would get taxes from the big studios.
Some one pays for holding on to the technology that might be destroyed
if the elite were smart.
The technology is restricted in many ways and the popular Tesla
coil is operated incorrectly. Thats how good the information is
held.






Perhaps ... It makes us think if the supposed UFO's are really circular as we are permitted to believe. Colonel Philip J. Corso states that the supposed craft was of a triangular shape.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by zaiger
Well if billy and lazar both took a crap in a bucket i would be hard pressed to tell the difference which is pretty much what they have done. They have taken huge craps all over UFology.


I see ... it's all about reputation, I guess is this how we deny ignorance?


[edit on 11/13/2009 by krystalice]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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Does anybody know of a decent website or ATS thread that gives proper factual details on the TR3-B?

I understand that they have been around for a while and are man made so somebody must know what's inside, any drawings, diagrams etc.?

Thanks for your help!



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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Just throwing that term around "deny ignorance" does not really carry much weight on this site anymore because people use it too much when they disagree and really have nothing say.
Meier has been a prooven hoax, im sure some still think it is real but some people still probably believe the recent spain ufo, the california drones, ummo are realy too.
So im not sure what you mean by how we deny ignorance but if you think that means believing everything on the net then ignoracne is bliss.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by krystalice

Perhaps ... It makes us think if the supposed UFO's are really circular as we are permitted to believe. Colonel Philip J. Corso states that the supposed craft was of a triangular shape.


We are not permitted to believe anything.
The UFO is constantly denied.
Its Denied Smartness.
The ether and electrical pressure waves have been denied since
Tesla showed they existed.

The Triangle with 5 flat sides.
Nothing wrong with that.
The big circular pressure coil is inside.

A coil with one connection.
What good is it.
Pressure waves.
The high voltage high frequency can freeze the nervous system.
Force pressure and electrical signals as static electrical pulses should
be possible.
There is also suspected mind control without a chip implant.

Another interesting passage from Tesla in "Inventions...of Nikola
Tesla" by TC Martin:
The streams of light which you have observed issuing from my hand
are due to a potential of about 200,000 volts alternating in rather
irregular intervals, sometimes like a million times a second.
A vibration of the same amplitude , but four times as fast, to maintain
which is over 3,000,000 volts would be required, would be more than
sufficient to envelope my body in a complete sheet of flame.
But this flame would not burn me up; ..... .
Yet a hundredth part of that energy, otherwise directed, would be
amply sufficient to kill a person.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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I will appreciate posters sticking to the topic of the thread and not flying off in all directions! Merci.




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