What exactly constitutes trolling on ATS?, page 1
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Topic started on 10-11-2009 @ 05:56 PM by Frankidealist35
I was wondering what constitutes trolling on ATS. That is- what kinds of posts do you make total out to be trolling? I was wondering- like when I'm posting on a topic I find weird, or unusual, or I think the topic creator is being a hypocrite... what kind of behavior would constitute trolling? Would trolling be acting completely unethical and just saying you disagree with all the things that the author of the topic said... and not being a part of the discussion and using it to your own agenda? I mean... what if you post something that could be considered trolling but you were really trying to help the OP out... or like I don't know.

I'm still confused as to what exactly trolling is here since this is a conspiracy site- and there are certain conspiracies I'm more open to and other things that I'm not open to. Like so I was wondering how I could be a skeptic on those conspiracies- without trolling and calling the other people completely and totally delusional... that would be trolling. But... so trolling would be telling someone else their world view sucks?

I'm confused because this website is a lot more different than any other website that I've been to. So I just wanted someone to clear up what trolling was for me since I don't feel like I've been trolling- I just want to make sure i don't do it in the future. I mean I have in the past called an idea stupid... or laughed at some thing that was said... but it's kind of hard for me to understand what trolling is in a site like ATS.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 06:03 PM by SLAYER69
reply to post by Frankidealist35



Great question.

WiKi has it as...
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]


According to their description that describes about half the people at ATS


[edit on 10-11-2009 by SLAYER69]


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 06:08 PM by endisnighe
reply to post by SLAYER69



HEY, I resemble that remark! Off topic.

HEY, This thread sucks! Inflammatory.

HEY, Obama is an ass! Controversial(not really) and inflammatory.

HEY, I want a beer! Irrelevent and to the point.

[edit on 11/10/2009 by endisnighe]


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 06:12 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by December_Rain



Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I was just wondering what trolling was around here since this forum has a lot of topics that are about many different things- so like when you disagree with something so vehemently and you say that the opinion has no ground in reality- that would be trolling right? Just saying that you disagree with the opinion would be different from that. But... like if it's a topic about Indigo Child... and you say something that other people might think was trolling but you deny any validity to it- would that be trolling? I don't know... does anyone know what would be considered trolling with that? I'm confused more about what is interpreted as trolling.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 06:27 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by iamsupermanv2



I think so. So if you just make a comment to detract from the discussion without adding your real input that's trolling. So if you say that person X is wrong, misguided, and their view of reality is wrong and they're delusional that's trolling. If you add your own insight as to why problem X is being viewed incorrectly by the said person Y... that's not trolling? So you can't just go into a topic and say birthers are stupid. You have to provide civil discourse- even with a topic like that... whereas if you say birthers are stupid, or 2012 people are nuts... THAT'S trolling. Is that about right?



reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 06:35 PM by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by Frankidealist35



that's pretty much my understanding of it, yes.

if you are a person who goes into a topic and tries to contribute, then you have nothing to worry about though.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 07:36 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by Frankidealist35



Well, I consider this particular thread, trolling.

I am going to follow SLAYER69's methodology, and explain how I see it.

Troll (Internet)

Quote from : Troll (Internet)

"Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.


If you go to the disambiguation on Wikipedia, however, it takes on a slightly different meaning.

Troll_(Angling)

Quote from : Wikipedia : Troll (Angling)

Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water.

This may be behind a moving boat, or by slowly winding the line in when fishing from a static position, or even sweeping the line from side-to-side, eg when fishing from a jetty.

Trolling is used to catch pelagic fish such as salmon, mackerel and kingfish.

Trolling can be phonetically confused with trawling, a completely different method of fishing, where a net (trawl) is drawn through the water instead of lines.

Trolling is used both for recreational and commercial fishing whereas trawling is used mainly for commercial fishing.

Trolling from a moving boat is a technique of big-game fishing and is used when fishing from boats to catch large open-water species such as tuna and marlin.

Trolling is also a freshwater angling technique.

Trolling from a moving boat involves moving quite slowly through the water; this may be accomplished by use of a special trolling motor.


Hence, this particular warning before submitting the reply button on ATS.

ATS Advice :

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You should be aware that any personally identifiable information you submit here can be read, collected, or used by other users of these forums, and could be used to send you unsolicited messages.

We are not responsible for the personally identifiable information you choose to submit, and may remove it at our discretion.


So, having said that, I will end with this piece of information.

Did you know that former Vice-President Dick Cheney's Secret Service codename, was Angler?







[edit on 10-11-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 07:46 PM by quackers
reply to post by SLAYER69




I prefer this definition;


Troll

One of many unsung internet heroes who are almost entirely misunderstood. Contrary to popular belief, many trolls are actually quite intelligent. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open.
UD


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:34 PM by JayinAR
reply to post by Frankidealist35



Stick by the T&C and you'll be fine.
If you drop into a thread just to say that the premise is "stupid" that is a one-line response and is frowned upon here.
But you know this much, you are a reasonably intelligent person.

I've seen three separate instances in this very thread when you picked out a specific topic and called its supporters idiots.
If you were pure in intention here, you wouldn't have mentioned a topic at all. Instead of saying: "Is it okay for me to call birthers idiots?" You would have said: "If I don't agree with topic X very strongly, can I just call them idiots and be done with it?"

You are trolling. And you are continuing to do so by trying to illicit further responses on a question that was answered in like the second post in this thread...

"But what if I REALLY don't agree?"


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:36 PM by happygolucky
reply to post by iamsupermanv2




sadly, unless someone admits to trolling, we never know their intent.



o.k. I troll quite a bit...


I take the stance that there a few different types of trolls:

one version wants to pick a fight regardless of the post...pick out the weak and let 'em have it...

another version looks to promote their own views...

some choose to follow a particular member and terrorize...

and another looks for the high-n-mighty in order to bring stability back to the thread...( a dichotomy indeed...)

For those of you that feel No version should be allowed, I ask this - how does a community that denies ignorance deal with those that would detract from Our agenda...?

You let the community police itself...nuff said.



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