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Gordon Brown can't spell but does a better job with body bags than Obama

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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This may be flying around the threads but I thought it important as England is pissed about all this crap too!

news.sky.com... 11215447984?lpos=Politics_Top_Stories_Header_1&lid=ARTICLE_15447984_Gordon_Brown_Denies_Spelling_Mistakes_In_Letter_To_Jacqui_Janes%2C_Mother_Of_Guard sman_Jamie_Janes




posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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I am sure you all can find this news almost any where.
The above link i checked after posting it and is has an error, So I will try this.


Brown Sorry Over Condolence 'Blunder'
2:15pm UK, Tuesday November 10, 2009

Adam Arnold, Sky News Online

Gordon Brown says he is sorry if he caused any offence over a letter of condolence to the mother of a dead British soldier.
Mr Brown apparently misspelled the family's surname and appeared to correct a spelling mistake in the serviceman's first name in the note.

Jacqui Janes accused the Prime Minister of disrespecting the memory of Guardsman Jamie Janes, 20, who was killed in an explosion in Afghanistan last month.

In his monthly news conference, Mr Brown apologised for any grief that was caused and said he understood the pain she was going through.

He has denied making spelling mistakes and said any "misunderstanding" was down to his poor handwriting.



Mrs Janes' son Jamie, Letter pic: The Sun


Mr Brown told reporters: "I apologised to Jacqui Janes for any mistakes that had been made.

"I also said to anybody whom I have written to, if my writing is difficult to read, I apologise for that."

The PM, who lost his daughter after she was born prematurely, added: "When there is a personal loss as deep and immediate as she (Mrs Janes) has experienced it takes time to recover."

Mr Brown telephoned the soldier's mother at 10pm on Sunday night when the row first broke out over his letter of condolence.


JACQUI JANES SPEAKS TO GORDON BROWN

The 13-minute conversation was being recorded without the PM's knowledge - and Sky News has chosen not to broadcast his part of the exchange.

Mrs Janes told Mr Brown: "I don't want to sound disrespectful here, but it was an insult to my child.

"There was 25 spelling mistakes - 25."

Mr Brown replied: "There wasn't."

According to The Sun newspaper, she told him: "Mr Brown I've got the letter in front of me."

He responded: "I've got the letter in front of me and if you feel that my writing was not right then I'm sorry about that."



Transcript Of Phone Call
Read what the mother of a dead soldier said to the Prime Minister

In another exchange Mrs Janes continued: "The fact that you named me Mrs James was disrespectful."

Mr Brown claimed: "...I was trying to say your right name. And I spelt Jamie right as well I understand".

Mrs Janes responded: "Erm, I beg to differ. I've got the letter in front of me so I do beg to differ...

"I cannot believe I have been brought down to the level of having an argument with the Prime Minister of my own country."

Mrs Janes also confronted Mr Brown over equipment for British soldiers in Afghanistan, asking him how he would feel if his child "bled to death and then you had the coroner have to tell you his every injury".

Mr Brown told her he understood, but that he had "tried to give the troops the equipment they need".





After the call, Mrs Janes told The Sun: "I was shaking because I was so angry about the letter and I had so much I wanted to say to him.

"I don't know why he called. It felt like he was trying to put me right instead of make me feel better."

Meanwhile, the bodies of six British soldiers killed in the country, including five shot dead by an Afghan policeman, have been brought back to the UK.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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So how is that better job with body bags than Obama? Im sorry but I am confused what you are trying to say. The whole article is about Brown not Obama. Are you somehow trying to squeeze Obama in the picture?

[edit on 10-11-2009 by December_Rain]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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I know the woman's unhappy about her Son's death ... who wouldn't be ?

But anyone reading that letter, the handwritten one, can quite easily see that the so called spelling mistakes are simply the PM's bad handwriting. And he's got bad handwriting because he's blind in one eye and half blind in the other.

He's taken the time to write to her personally. He's called her on the phone. He's now apologised to her (although he shouldn't have to) ... apart from resurrecting her Son I really don't know what'd keep her happy.

She's being used by the Sun to bash Brown.

I actually feel sorry for the guy.

Quite what Obama's got to do with this I don't know.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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I agree with you on the Brown part, he can only use one eye and agreed the woman is mourning her son but the whole situation seems to be setting up of a platform by a media source to harm Brown's position.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by December_Rain]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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A difficult one.

I think Brown is genuine in his sympathy for Ms Janes.
The fact that he took the time to personally write a letter and then phone her up suggests this and I don't think they were stunts aimed at gaining public support.
But surely he should have been a bit more professional and got his secretary or whatever to check the spelling and details.
It is understandable that Ms Janes was upset with the spelling mistakes and poor grammar, etc.

In addition I think Brown is either guilty of incredible naivety or was poorly advised by making the personal phone call.
In one way it can be viewed as quite admirable that he wanted to set things right with a woman he clearly sympathises with.
However it was so predictable that she reacted and responded in the way she did.
I suspect any grieving mother would have done under the circumstances, only perhaps not as eloquently as she did.

But now we come to the core of things.
She was absolutely right in what she said to Brown.
Our soldiers are dying through lack of and poor quality equipment.
Brown spends billions on baling his city chums in the banking sector out yet he, along with all of his predecessors, have seriously under funded our armed forces.
This has led to a culture of penny pinching by military administrators.
That soldiers and their families have to buy their own equipment because they are not provided is a national disgrace.
We have possibly the best trained military personnel in the world yet they are treat so shabbily and are not equipped to do the job they have been sent there to do.

The majority of British people recognise the need for our military to be in Afghanistan.
But we are so pissed off with reading stories of them being killed or maimed due to this lack of equipment etc.
That is the reason why more and more support a full withdrawal.
And that would be a disaster for world security.
But they must be given the tools and equipment to do the job properly.

And for fear of repeating myself, yet I offer no apologies for mentioning it, our troops need all the support they can get when returning.
Please help whenever and however you can.
www.helpforheroes.org.uk...


Edit to add:
I too don't understand the Obama reference.

[edit on 10/11/09 by Freeborn]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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fact a - the uk is made of of 4 countries, not just ENGLAND - and some people (me included) take it as an insult when you forget that the uk is the uk and not england.. thats like us saying america is just a part of canada!

fact b - your link does not work.

fact c - im from uk, AND scottish (as is gordon brown) .. and i think he is the biggest pleb that walks the face of the earth... hell, he wasnt even voted in...obama was voted in and is trying to change things for the better in his country.. and has the balls! gordon brown simply has no balls..
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ok, i see what its about... and its hardly even news... all fair, the woman lost a son due to the army being in afganistan still .. i seen her on tv talking about this situation but never realised it was so damned petty (it was on sky news just before 6pm, i missed the start but cauught the rest.... i thought a policical decision had gone wrong tbh the way she was going on) ... i actualy feel a bit sorry for him on this one, not everyone has amazingly good handwriting.. not even a pm. It seems like that woman wanted to vent over the death of her son and has picked the first oppertunity to lash out ! hell, lash out over poor political choices, not handwriting!! no matter what the situation is thats just petty!

[edit on 10-11-2009 by boaby_phet]

[edit on 10-11-2009 by boaby_phet]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
So how is that better job with body bags than Obama? Im sorry but I am confused what you are trying to say. The whole article is about Brown not Obama. Are you somehow trying to squeeze Obama in the picture?

[edit on 10-11-2009 by December_Rain]


Well of course.
Yanks and Britt's have done this stuff together for sometime now.
We bleed and mourn the same, Do we not?



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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Gordon brown is no better than any of those guys ruling under the elite's command...! just don't get sentimental with the nice letters they send you when a boy goes down....they sure as hell will not send their kids to war ! I'm in France and we are getting pretty angry too....



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:10 PM
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Thanks for you comments. I agree to some extent..
The Russians remember? A Super Power at the time backed out with wisdom.
That has made that country become a viable player in the world
again while the UK and the states take a nose dive.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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The Taliban can not be allowed to gain control of Afghanistan again.
If they do then Pakistan will follow.
India will not allow The Taliban to have control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, neither will Israel.
We then have a possible scenario for nuclear conflict that could easily escalate.

The majority of Afghani's support our role there.
They do not want their barbaric and repressive regime again.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ulala
I know the woman's unhappy about her Son's death ... who wouldn't be ?

But anyone reading that letter, the handwritten one, can quite easily see that the so called spelling mistakes are simply the PM's bad handwriting. And he's got bad handwriting because he's blind in one eye and half blind in the other.

He's taken the time to write to her personally. He's called her on the phone. He's now apologised to her (although he shouldn't have to) ... apart from resurrecting her Son I really don't know what'd keep her happy.

She's being used by the Sun to bash Brown.

I actually feel sorry for the guy.

Quite what Obama's got to do with this I don't know.


Correct. I am American and ashamed of the American Administration's neglect of our fallen. I think you Britt's do a better job with the fallen family members of your country.
Although you cannot imagine the woman who gave her son to the machine as being BASHING. Used once again, Yeah I think you said that?



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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No insult intended here mate!
Sorry about the link see my #2 post
Your Tony is like my Obama. Your Gordon is more like my Bush. so what?
Parts of Canada are more like France.
Obama has lied about the wars. Has Gordon? I don't know.
Turn em over and we will examine their parts.
Look sorry I didn't read your last paragraph completely. Come on back if you lost someone to this tragic situation. I know the arms of the real folks will be wide open to you.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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I do not agree with you here and will beg off because it's off topic IMO.
The Sons and Daughters , Moms and Dads are still returned BLUE.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 04:58 AM
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The relevance is that Ms Janes herself insisted in pointing out that she too supported the reason for our presence in Afghanistan and despite what the PC bigade maybe trying to say the vast majority of Brits do, we just want our military personnel to be equipped with the correct kit to do the job properly.
It is an insult that billions have been found to bail out Brown's city banking cronies yet further cuts are announced for the military resulting in even more deaths.
In fact it is worse than an insult, it should be criminal and those responsible should be answerable in a court of law!



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Donny 4 million
 


The Taliban can not be allowed to gain control of Afghanistan again.
If they do then Pakistan will follow.
India will not allow The Taliban to have control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, neither will Israel.
We then have a possible scenario for nuclear conflict that could easily escalate.

The majority of Afghani's support our role there.
They do not want their barbaric and repressive regime again.


It was late when I responded to your quote last night. So if you don't mind let me try to clarify.
The US gave Pakistan and India the BOMB. Without the British, Israel wouldn't even be Israel. So both the US and the British are responsible for the Israeli's having the BOMB. So after all that, why the hell don't they all fight it out and leave us out of it. If we don't want them to use those bombs, then why the hell did we give them all the Bombs? Just so we can send our family members to die, to keep them from blowing the crap out of each other? Afghanistan never attacked anyone. All they have is camels, pipelines and poppies.

PS I will just slip this in here.
I am more in agreement with your last post.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Donny 4 million]



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:01 AM
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The causes are many and complex, and obviously both the UK and US have been guilty of trying to control and manipulate events in an effort to further their own agenda(s).

But regardless, we are where we are.
The Taliban would use nuclear bombs if they had them.
Of this there is little doubt.
How far could that then escalate?
We could have Armageddon on our hands quite easily.



posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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The causes are many and complex, and obviously both the UK and US have been guilty of trying to control and manipulate events in an effort to further their own agenda(s).

But regardless, we are where we are.
The Taliban would use nuclear bombs if they had them.
Of this there is little doubt.
How far could that then escalate?
We could have Armageddon on our hands quite easily.




Every country that has WMD uses them in some way or other. The USA is the only country to actually detonate a nuke on foreign soil.
What I was hoping for here is a discussion that addresses the use of caskets or body bags as propaganda tools or for the respect of the fallen.
My take is that Gordon does better than Barak.
Are there reasons for this?



posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 05:37 AM
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Caskets or body bags shoukd not be used as propoganda, end of.
They should be treat with the utmost respect; they have paid the ultimate price for their country, regardless.

And if they did then Brown would be judged far worse than Obama.
His pathetic attempts at manipulating MSM have been so transparent that he has becpme a laughing stock here in the UK.

Canada shows both the UK and US how to welcome our fallen hero's home!
No political propoganda, just heart felt gratitude and grief.



posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 09:05 AM
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Thanks this is the input I was hoping for.

I will try to watch the video when I get on a broadband connection.
No disrespect for Canadians but haven't they opted out of combat in the Iraq and Afghan conflicts?




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