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Originally posted by djusdjus
You need to understand that you can't pick and choose. You pay your taxes into a pool and it is distributed from that pool.
Your self righteousness is in your position of not only belief but your apparent wanting to force your belief onto someone else. Your belief doesn't matter in established law. You wanna change that? Vote for someone who supports your belief and ultimately will act to legislate something that is abiding by it.
What you need to recognize though is that this process has already taken place and rule of law outweighs your belief system.
What about the fathers? What about them? Why didn't they wear a condom? What if the woman who is having the abortion is raped? Should she be forced to carry the baby to term and then let it go for adoption and then what? What about her psychological needs?
Sanctity of life is one thing, but misconstrued beliefs and attempting to force them onto someone is fascist in spirit.
But like I said, you're welcome to place your vote in your hopes that someone is on the same thought level as you that can bring change.
It is a democratic society after all. I would remind you again though that it's already been done and those who support your belief have failed while those who support the right thing to do (maybe not in all circumstances) have not failed and have persevered after years of fighting for the right to make a choice for themselves whether or not they want to bring a child into the world.
It was my pseudonym, Jane Roe, which had been used to create the "right" to abortion out of legal thin air. But Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee never told me that what I was signing would allow women to come up to me 15, 20 years later and say, "Thank you for allowing me to have my five or six abortions. Without you, it wouldn't have been possible." Sarah never mentioned women using abortions as a form of birth control. We talked about truly desperate and needy women, not women already wearing maternity clothes.
Anyway, anti-abortionist bleating in a wind storm of reason will eventually no longer be around as education eradicates their simplistic and emotional, irrational and illogical thought forms are turned to dust and dispersed into nothingness once and for all.
cold and heartless enough for you? Thos are nothing but empty and stupid words aimed from an emotional context with zero knowledge of who I am or what I believe in. Ergo the "self righteous and sanctimonious" remark.
people aren't ignorant because they disagree with your point of view. Perhaps you are ignorant for not recognizing that we all don't hold the same view? Apparently the majority of us don't believe what you believe and if we did, it would be different wouldn't it?
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Ive seen this argument 100's of times. Interestingly enough, your side ALWAYS uses the exact same words an phrasing.
Why is that?
Originally posted by Freenrgy2
I think a part of us needs to be inhuman in order to justify this "medical" procedure.
How 'bout this. Why don't we give vasectomies and tubalagations to those who we feel are not in the correct demographic group in order to bring a child into this world.
Originally posted by littlebunny
The left is completely out of control, of course women DO NOT have a right to public funded abortions... How outrageous! It is time to fight fire with fire... Has anyone got a quarter to half a million bucks just laying around? Lets join forces and end abortion in this country... How, give abortion rights to men!
Allow men the right to choose if they will be responsible for her choice or not. Not that men can force or stop a woman from having an abortion, oh no... that has already been settled by the SC. This RIGHT will guarantee all men the right to abort his responsibilities to that fetus before it is born... if a woman can kill it, then men should have the legal Constitutional right to abandon it before it is born... Read more about fighting fire with fire here!
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by HotSaucedo you really want your hard earned tax dollars going to subsidize someones poor choices? Doesn't that make us all guilty by making us part of ending the poor unlucky kids chance at life?
I dont want my property taken by anyone for any reason. Too many people love it when the gov takes there money. The practive of federal extortion at gun point isnt going anywhere anytime soon.
So, if I have to choose between my stolen property being used to fund 18 years of welfare scams then another 30-life supporting the hood rat in prison or a few bucks to vacu-suck the trash out before it becomes the money pit it is destined to be I choose the latter.
Put an end to welfare queens and their mini-armies of 12 legitimate thugs fathered by means of 12 drug-induced blackout laden nights of ghetto-fabulous lovin'.
Supporters of this should be touting it as fiscal responsibility.
That's right, all of a sudden, that baby, that fetus, that blob of flesh, some of you regard with all the respect of a tapeworm parasite, is now a PERSON, and the shooter faces TWO COUNTS of murder if they can't save the baby. The idea some of you have had that if the baby can't survive on its own, it isn't viable so it isn't a person. Does it not occur to you if we held the same logically fallacious standard for your average two year old to be left on its own to survive, it wouldn't fair any better than when it was first out of the womb? Yet you land in jail in that case for neglect and child abuse and what ever the mitigating circumstances may be for manslaughter.
Originally posted by HotSauce
do you really want your hard earned tax dollars going to subsidize someones poor choices?
[edit on 10-11-2009 by HotSauce]
Originally posted by Parallex
All hail the 'Christian fundies' as yet again they try and force their agenda by the back door.
Abortion is allowed, as it always will be - nothing you do or say will change that. I'd be willing to fight for it - just to stop you lot.
Your sick religion is an expiring beast, and your divisive rhetoric unsound, and unsuitable for public airing.
Here in the UK, abortion is included in our healthcare system, because we care what happens to both mother and child. Guidelines are in place to make sure that the welfare of both is looked after. We don't subscribe to the sickening diatribe that the religious zealots in the American anti-abortion movement spouts.
Taxpayers pay for healthcare - whatever a persons health requirements are. You won't change this, and you will lose - so cut out the crap, and confess to being religious fundamentalists in need of psychiatric help.
Originally posted by jsmappy
My name is Scott.
I am alive.
At 35 yrs old, I was alive.
At 15, I was alive.
At 5, I was alive.
At 1 yr, I was alive.
At 1 mo., I was alive.
At 9 mo. in the womb, I was alive.
At 1 mo, in the womb, I was alive.
The same person in all cases. If my mother killed me back then, she would've killed Scott...her son.
Don't give me this crap about how unfortunate some child they will have it if they are not wanted. I was not wanted. I am still alive. Who are you to say that I should not live because you think how terrible my life would be.
Originally posted by j_kalin
Pay for abortions with tax money=more poor women get them=fewer future criminals and fewer future welfare recipients=the republicans/right wing benefits.
So, why is the right not supporting taxpayer funded abortions? It would seem to be in their best interests. The children saved by preventing abortions for poor women will almost invariably end up poor, uneducated, and, if they vote at all, will vote for democrats who promise them government handouts and lenient criminal systems.