Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

reply to post by tsloan


Trust me, it's an amazing feeling. I let some Russians have it last night all because of a client or two yesterday. I ran to best buy, picked up my pre-order came home and "prepped" to play and went at it for about 5 hours. It's addicting and hella fun. Stay frosty

Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion
True, but this is a real new slant....

You are a good guy, acting like a terrorist and deliberately killing anyone and everyone in a shopping mall....

Its asking a question: Can you do it?

In a game, yes.

In real life, no.

It is merely fantasy, no one can get hurt.

Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion
reply to post by Djdoubt03

 

Thanks - I guess that opens it up. I could play all the hero stuff, but would struggle on that level.

I don't get it. You don't mind 'killing' make believe bad guys, but have issues vanquishing make believe good guys?

If gaming upsets you so much, then maybe games are not the entertainment medium for you.

Kids do this sort of thing all the time, cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, Star Wars (one of my favorites as a child - I was always Darth Vader or a Stormtrooper) and they don't seem to get all hung up over being the bad guys and in the most part go on to lead very productive and fruitful lives.

I think you are reading too much into one level in a make believe computer game. One game where the level is an integral part of the story line as opposed to randonmly shooting passers by in games such as GTA.

editL this is the level in question - do not watch if you are a wowser or easily offended.



[edit on 11-11-2009 by darkmaninperth]

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, hopefully with enough advancements all warfare can be settled in cyberspace.


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I haven't read all the 8 pages on this topic so sorry if i repeat what some one has said...

1) Why would you buy a war game and cry foul about killling some one regardless of the ingame role???

2)How would you react knowing that you spent $XX (NZ$100 in my case) on a game to find out that it has be censored because someone who never played it complained about it??

It is a sad time when people cry because things are being censored, but then those people cry again when things aren't censored/moderated.

come on grow up, i have been killing civilians in games since Counter Strike 1.5 and so have 1000's of other gamers.

edit for spelling

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Speights]

reply to post by darkmaninperth

editL this is the level in question - do not watch if you are a wowser or easily offended.

Or a pansy, PC nut, crybaby, wear your feelings on your sleeve or are a follower, since nobody would have gave two Sh**s about this if the media hadnt created so much drama over it.

I have an idea for a video game, maybe infinity ward will develop it for me some day.
You can play as an Iraqi Insurgent who has the choice of roles to pick, foot soldier, torture specialist or suicide bomber.
As the suicide bomber, you get achievements based on the number and type of civilians killed in one of your attacks (I say ONE of your attacks since its a game and you have more than one life)

You wont automatically getting 72 virgins for being a martyr, the number varies. 10 virgins for a standard, small explosion in a market, killing less than 10 people, 25 virgins if you explode near an ice-cream truck, taking out some innocent women and children.
50 virgins if you blow up near a US military convoy and kill at least 10 soldiers and the full 72 virgins if you blow up in a market, near an ice cream truck as a US convoy drives by.
Of course the US wouldnt be the ideal place to market this game but Im guessing it would be an instant HIT in the Middle East market.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s

Or a pansy, PC nut, crybaby, wear your feelings on your sleeve or are a follower, since nobody would have gave two Sh**s about this if the media hadnt created so much drama over it.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I have an idea for a video game, maybe infinity ward will develop it for me some day.
You can play as an Iraqi Insurgent who has the choice of roles to pick, foot soldier, torture specialist or suicide bomber.

One mans insurgent is anothers freedom fighter.

As the suicide bomber, you get achievements based on the number and type of civilians killed in one of your attacks (I say ONE of your attacks since its a game and you have more than one life)

You wont automatically getting 72 virgins for being a martyr, the number varies. 10 virgins for a standard, small explosion in a market, killing less than 10 people, 25 virgins if you explode near an ice-cream truck, taking out some innocent women and children.
50 virgins if you blow up near a US military convoy and kill at least 10 soldiers and the full 72 virgins if you blow up in a market, near an ice cream truck as a US convoy drives by.
Of course the US wouldnt be the ideal place to market this game but Im guessing it would be an instant HIT in the Middle East market.

Why not? As games are not real and are purely fanatsy, wouldn't it be cool to actually see what it would be like from the 'enemies' point of view. You could also get an education in chemistry and physics whilst playing it.

Imagine, you could go through the planning phase, working out exactly how many American troops you could take down, maximise damage and and increase the political fall out in America. The aim being to rid Iraq of all American and the few allied troops that are there. (My country included).

People play games to escape from reality and do things they would not normally do - I have never hurled around city streets doing over 200k's an hour as I have with Need for Speed Shift and I am more than willing to try games that are new or on a different idea to what is pretty much the same thing re-hashed over and over again. That does not mean that I want to try it in real life.

Also, just by playing the good guys against insurgents or whatever, people also forget that these bad guys also have families and friends too and depending on what side you are on, the other side is always the bad guy.

And finally, as with all games, you can choose not to play it - shame that the people in Iraq have no choice but to play that game in real life.

It's a game, nothing more, nothing less.
From what I've seen you don't even have to shoot anybody!
Believe me when I say this, there are more important matters to attend to than a stupid video game.

That game is nothing compared to the internet.
You worry about kids being affected by it's content.
You can find anything on the web, ANYTHING.
Videos of beheadings, rapes, suicides, ALLLLL the way to a cute little puppy.
Or a puppy being burned.

That game isn't even on the list of things to worry about, not by a long shot.
Why get all worked up over this? does it really matter? honestly?
If a kid sees this, plays it, then acts upon it in anyway, it isn't the games fault, the kids is just f**ked up.

That's the way I see it.

I read this and had to post it... it made me laugh.

It's ridiculous to claim that video games don't impact on you in later life. I used to play tetris as a child and now I'm a master mason and brick layer. FACT.

Superb!

Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion
I read this and had to post it... it made me laugh.

It's ridiculous to claim that video games don't impact on you in later life. I used to play tetris as a child and now I'm a master mason and brick layer. FACT.

Superb!

Hmm, I also played Pac-man and I do have to admit, I like to sit in a dark room, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music too.

Mods - this is a joke....! Well, the pill taking part.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by darkmaninperth]

Originally posted by Dark Passenger
I do think it’s very possible for someone who is impressionable. Say a kid or even an adult who is picked on and ridiculed by others in his age group and forms a general resentment towards society. To play these types of games and form a delusional mindset that he is capable of doing these things. And carry it out, without really thinking of the real life consequences.

Same can be said of movies, tv, music. Just look at what rap music has done to young society. They listen to that stuff and it forms their outlook on life and how they treat others.

Like it or not entertainment plays a huge role in shaping a large portion of the population’s mindset

What you are doing here is blaiming the media for one persons mental instability. If someone is mentally unstable then absolutely they will get obsessed with any violent media, however it is not the media that makes them or even encourages them to do it.

It's like saying S&M pornography, so popular with serial killers and rapists is what makes them do it! It's utterly ridiculous and could even be used as a defense in court if you think it is this likely.

I think, in all honesty, the only thing the attention that this game - or level in question - or any game that's similar does is: The mentally deranged that are stupid enough to pull this off in reality, is giving the mentally deranged a very, societal acceptable EXCUSE that this influenced them. Plus, they will only use this if they are caught. I highly doubt that anyone who does what I've described will brag to there buddies that this influenced them. That would just sound nuts.

Modern Warfare 2 could possibly be the best game ever! The online play is what really makes the game. I'm glad they sold so many copies and I hope they continue to advance their product. I think Treyarch needs to retire from making call of duty games because they don't even compare to Infinity Ward. I'm sure next year when they put another one out they will take almost everything from MW2 like they did in world at war. Activision needs to realize that it's not all about putting games out every year just to make sales. I know when they put Treyarch's COD out next year it won't even touch what MW2 has done. I'm surprised to see this on ATS but I'm glad . Now everyone go get it!

reply to post by stigup


The online play sucks. apart from the fact that they didn't include private servers (which are faster) for pc they also included some stupid perks like the heartbeat monitor that basically allows people to shoot you through a wall without ever having seen you.

Nope i'm going back to COD4.

reply to post by ecoparity


We were at gamestop the night this game was first being sold.
We didn't know what the hype was all about since we all we have is a lame Wii.

There is no way in hell I would allow my 8 year old to play this after watching the videos., or even a slightly older pre-teen. The game has a mature rating for a reason. He has his whole life ahead of him to play whatever games he wants, watch whatever movies he wants and stay up as late as he wants.

It is my job as a parent to protect his childhood, to preserve some of that precious innocence as long as possible. What bothers me about these games is the gritty realism. Its one thing if it is set in a fantasy world far removed from ours, its another when it looks like everyday life.

So once again this is fine if an adult wants to play it, and frankly i would probably play and enjoy it, although i might honestly skip this level, but this is not a game for young kids....common sense people

I look at it like this, I am not going to freak out about the typical sex scene in a movie, it might make me wish it wasn't there if I am watching the movie with my son but its everywhere so what are you going to do.....but that doesn't mean just because he has seen that then porn is ok too.

reply to post by gluetrap


My son and I stood in line for 3 hours to get it at midnight.
Gamestop had a widescreen TV set up outside for people to play CoD 4 on, if you could get a turn and they had a hilarious black dude for a DJ they brought in to entertain the approximately 200 people that were standing outside waiting for it to go on sale, this was in Corpus Christi, which is a small city by most standards.

My brother had his reserved at a gamestop in an even smaller city East of here, Rockport Tx, he showed up at about 11 pm and there was a mind boggling 6 people there in line.

If id have known that, i wouldve driven the two hour round trip to buy it from that store, instead of waiting 3 hours, listening to RAP and smelling the menudo that the Mexicans brought for the MW2 "tailgate party"

[edit on 11/12/2009 by Kr0n0s]

Yes. Hi.

There was another game before Modern Warfare 2 that did something almost VERY similar? You may have heard of it. I believe it is called "Counter-Strike" by Valve. (The same people who made Half-Life).

So what's the point?

reply to post by hhcore


I was a little shocked when this level came up, despite the warnings about skipping what could be seen as an offensive level.

Although it's a game, I couldn't bring myself to shoot the civilians, I just kept shooting over their heads on occasions, mainly because I couldn't believe that if it were a real situation, would an undercover operative go so far as to kill innocents in that manner.

Having finished the game, excluding all collectables, I have no problem in going in and mullering the civilians just to see what happens.

"An evening with Infinity Ward"

Has anybody pressed the button in the extra level that's set in the museum, if not, just make sure you have more than a hand gun when you do.

Maybe someone can tell me if there is an objective to reach, maybe a trophy?

[edit on 12-11-2009 by Koka]

reply to post by Kr0n0s


i am a pastey, sunscreen wearing white boy out here in West Texas. If i were you, I woulda grabbed me a lemon wedge, some onion, and a bowl of that menudo and went to town. Preferrably without feet (the knuckles look like hominey and hurt your teeth if you accidentally bite into one).

Man, i love menudo. I like tripas, too (crispy, not chewy). You live in a good part of Texas. Cajun and Latino culture. You should take the time to enjoy them.

RE: the OP. I have taken a few days and mulled this over so i could create the right response.

My son and i played this level the other night. why would i have a problem mowing down a bunch of people that aren't real? On GTA i make it a game to see how many i can mow down on sidewalks. When i was a kid i played a lot of mario bros. Never, ever once in my life have i had the desire to jump on a turtle. And while i enjoy a round of "Whack a mole" after a few beers, i can't recall wanting to crush moles with a mallet.

Above All: The "slippery slope" argument that is the basis of the OP is a well known and well defined fallacy that merits no real discussion.

I play video games similar to COD but have decided against this purchase because of the extreme violence towards innocent people. S&f