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Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

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posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by nik1halo

You are right that the National Health Service here in the UK isn't working, but it is not the system that has caused this, but the beaurocracy of the government that is to blame. There are now twice as many beaurocrats and pen pushers in the NHS than there are beds in the hospitals, nurses on the wards or doctors in the country. THIS is the problem. The government keeps throwing money at the NHS, but it doesn't go to the patients, but to the managers etc.
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ooohhhh...riiiight... it is not that the NHS in itself doesn't really work...let's blame it on politicians instead...that must be why most NHS are bankrupt, and are not working....

But hey, having a healthcare that doesn't work, and at the end causes bankruptcy is supposed to be "civilized" now-a-days.....


What I was trying to say is that if the system was run correctly, there would be plenty of money to go around.

NHS Bureaucracy - The Sun

If only half the pen-pushers (most of which are not needed) were removed and more doctors hired and more money given to the patient's care then there would be less of a problem.

BTW, the NHS is run by the government, so who else can you blame but the politicians for it's failures?




posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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Sorry, double post.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by nik1halo]



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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You my friend are completely under the illusion that you will never fall on hard times and will always be able to afford that good old health insurance or have that job that gives it to you. I wish you all the luck with that because the day you do fall on hard times, which is very probable during our stressing economic calamity, and you get slapped with that 2.5% tax on your yearly earnings......it's going to hurt like a son of a gun.

Wise men no not what it's like to be thick as a brick, luckily for you life has an interesting way of keeping us all humble.


TA!!

Izzy.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:36 AM
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I completely understand what you say friend.

But what you fail to realise is that the reason people work so much is because they have these cards that give them free money. they also have these really big houses that they will never pay off, not even on their death beds. It's called a rat race and boy do people love to run in them.

Buy a motor home, live on the fringe, all the book you need can be found at a law or a local library and read them while you take a dump on a toilet.


You just have to know the law, and the more people use the law for good the less you'll see people in Cort. A gun is a mans right and should be used to preserve that right not used to destroy it.

Learn to be fee my friend and you will learn what a slave you have been for so long.

Edit: Spelling......Facepalm


[edit on 11-11-2009 by Izarith]



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by nik1halo
 


You my friend are completely under the illusion that you will never fall on hard times and will always be able to afford that good old health insurance or have that job that gives it to you. I wish you all the luck with that because the day you do fall on hard times, which is very probable during our stressing economic calamity, and you get slapped with that 2.5% tax on your yearly earnings......it's going to hurt like a son of a gun.

Wise men no not what it's like to be thick as a brick, luckily for you life has an interesting way of keeping us all humble.


TA!!

Izzy.


No, I am under the impression that I am already on hard times, that the insurance we pay is a reasonable percentage of our wage, regardless of how much we earn, so if you work, you can afford it and that if I do lose my job, there are NO insurance payments to make until I am back in work again.

If you work, you pay and to be honest, for what you get it isn't a lot. I think I pay about £30 a month. If you don't work, you don't pay. It's as simple as that.

BTW, we already pay in the region of 25% tax on our yearly earnings.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Oh I thought you were in America sorry.

I meant over here if you fall on hard times and loose your health insurance or a bit you forced to pay a tax.

Honestly the system in the UK is much better than this bill that might pass. Socialism is socialism it sucks but it's better than "corporate communism" that really, really sucks.


It's like paying for your own slave chains.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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reply to post by Izarith
 


As I said earlier, I haven't really looked that deeply into what the American system will be, because it doesn't really affect me.

What I was trying to say is that surely, having a uniform system, where all can get good healthcare is better than the poor being left to die because they can't afford the payments for private medical insurance or the actual procedures.

So basically, I think we are talking about the same thing, lol.

The system is good over here, as all get equal healthcare regardless of wealth, stance in society, race, religion or whether you are in work or not. The only problem is the way that the money is divided. When the non medical staff are getting a higher percentage of the money going into the NHS than is actually going towards patient care, something is definitely wrong!!



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
What the hell, you don’t get jail time if you don’t have car insurance!?! You only lose your license and tags. You only go to jail if you drive without insurance or on a suspended license, and even that varies from state to state.

Maybe they should make it a crime for companies to refuse to provide health insurance for their employees. Ah, but our government only ever looks out for the corporations anyway. After all, if our representatives put all the big business owners in jail, who would they have to go golfing with?


You have ironically contradicted yourself here. If you can't drive your car without insurance or you go to jail, what is the point in having the car? If you have a car, and want to actually use it, you have to have insurance, or you go to jail. Your point that you tried to make is mute at best.

Now on your other part. You must have your Corporations mixed up. It's smaller companies that generally do not have health insurance. I doubt they are golfing with anybody, well maybe put-put golf, but I don't see too many high powered Senators do that.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by nik1halo
 


Oh I thought you were in America sorry.

I meant over here if you fall on hard times and loose your health insurance or a bit you forced to pay a tax.

Honestly the system in the UK is much better than this bill that might pass. Socialism is socialism it sucks but it's better than "corporate communism" that really, really sucks.


It's like paying for your own slave chains.


First off, if you like it there, I am sure we can make arrangements for you to go and not come back.

Second, why don't you wake up to the fact that you are just transferring the power swing from Corporations to the Govt. The Corporations got thier power from the Corupt Govt to begin with. They did not regulate them like they are suppose to do. In fact Corporations were not to exist at all to begin with. You can thank that Assh@le Rockerfeller for that one.

Taking back the power through the states is the only thing to do. If you want tax payer paid healthcare, their are already a couple of states that have it, MOVE TO ONE OF THEM!



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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Well in the US to it's credit everyone get care, regardless of who they are. Even illegal aliens get care no questions asked.

Actually the only people who don't get care and die horrible deaths are people with health insurance lol.

The problem in America is lack of freedom. Doctors are forced to pay for malpractice insurance. Lawsuits are ramped. Laws, laws, laws in the land of freedom all asked for by the bitching public while corporations who buy up any little company starting out rake in the cash.

It's all a mater of a bunch of cutthroats ripping each other off driving insurance and prices through the roof.

A doctor takes a look at your kid for 5 mins and you get 1,000 dollar bill in the mail all because of the Mexican.

We are lost souls making more laws in some sorry symbolic act of bailing water in a sinking ship.

This is America...




posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:23 AM
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Ever since this debate began people have been comparing the state issued auto insurance requirements with a federally mandated health insurance requirement.

Apples and oranges pure and simple. The main reason for auto insurance mandates is to provide a means of compensating others should you injure them or damage their property while operating your vehicle. Vehicles can inflict a wide array of considerable damages if operated improperly. Hence, liability insurance coverage.

There is no liability involved with Obamacare's mandate to buy coverage or face severe penalties. It is all about keeping the US citizens under thumb of an ever swelling government. This is a direct assault on our constitution by an administration that lacks any respect for the meaning that is contained within it.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by nik1halo
 


Oh I thought you were in America sorry.

I meant over here if you fall on hard times and loose your health insurance or a bit you forced to pay a tax.

Honestly the system in the UK is much better than this bill that might pass. Socialism is socialism it sucks but it's better than "corporate communism" that really, really sucks.


It's like paying for your own slave chains.


First off, if you like it there, I am sure we can make arrangements for you to go and not come back.

Second, why don't you wake up to the fact that you are just transferring the power swing from Corporations to the Govt. The Corporations got their power from the Corrupt Govt to begin with. They did not regulate them like they are suppose to do. In fact Corporations were not to exist at all to begin with. You can thank that Assh@le Rockerfeller for that one.

Taking back the power through the states is the only thing to do. If you want tax payer paid healthcare, their are already a couple of states that have it, MOVE TO ONE OF THEM!


Nonetheless we live in a "corporate communist" Country.

I don't like paying any taxes dude. But if they are taken from my paycheck I don't like them going to Banks and corporations while we bitch about some poor dude getting free health care.

2.5 trillion dollars!! To banks!! That is beyond welfare man and we are all worried about some Mexican getting his kid's appendix taken out for free.

And to be forced to buy insurance not only on my car but also now maybe soon on my own health or go to jail if I don't some how scrounge up 2.5% of my whole years earnings. You know I bet if you can't come up with the tax up front they will even be kind enough to supply you with a financial company who will lend you the money at outrageous interest rates.

You love it or leave it attitude is unfounded Buddy, It's time we got some new representatives who have the peoples interest I'm with you on that. I'm just saying getting taxed for health care as bad as it is is better than this bill that might pass.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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anyone for a dictatorship? thats wot it sounds like to me



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Interesting to point out that as I have read through this thread, only a few people have a clue of what the government is been doing as they impose mandates on the health care bill.

People don't have a clue that the first ones to push the mandates and fines were the same insurance companies that the bill is suppose to make them work for the people.

In 1994 When hillary was trying to push the universal health care the bill was killed by the same issue that this new health care bill is been pushe with, mandates.

When we become a nation of illiterates on the matters of government and the way lobbyist dictate bills and legislation we become a nation of servants.

The health care bill is a push by big insurance for citizens to be forced into buying their goods and services.

Our constitution very clear protect Free private citizens from government interference on how we chose how to buy sell and use of goods and services.

Obama with the statement on making a comparison of the health care bill with car insurance is either showing how ignorant he is and how he have no clue of what he is getting into and the nation or the lobbyist lawyers pushing this bill from the big insurance companies are actually lying to him.

I expect this issue of mandates to reach the supreme court if the bill is passed as it.

Obama is becoming a very unpopular President very fast.

And for the rest of the fine people in this thread that thinks is not wrong doing with mandates, I suggest you get familiarized with that great document call our Constitution.

Actually congress will have to amend the constitution to push the same mandates we are talking about.

And that means restricting the freedoms of choice for private citizens.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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After that last post, I think we think more alike than not.
The post I referred to was not very clear, it looked like you just wanted a free ride.

The Govt? Yes, it's time to throw them all out and place a new one in.

This can be done through the States or through force.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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I don't support President Obama, but you didn't quote what he said, you quoted your version of it.


“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation,

if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, to buy insurance, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so,,

forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”


So yeah, if you can afford health insurance, but choose not to get it, and instead be a freeloader, like so many on welfare that don't need it, you should be fined if you're caught free loading. Plenty of people on welfare don't deserve welfare. They're just too lazy to get off their butt and work.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Heh, no free rides for me thanks. I'm a bit like Baron Munchausen when it comes to doctors actually.

And any time I do go to the Doctor I go to Mexico and pay cash, it's really not as bad as they say I still have my liver at least, I think.

I just know what this will turn into and it's not going to be pretty. Car insurance companies are only supposed to make 1% profit on the multi billion dollar industry.....they make about 21% profit. Not because they are good at what they do but because everyone is forced to pay. And yet government that makes "us" pay for this crap wont even ask "them" to lower their cost a bit.

Every one talks about how you only need liability insurance but unless you buy old beater like me you got your car financed, and that requires full coverage. It's all a con game and the health insurance industry is known for it's murderess amoral attitude already now imagine once it gets it's bill passed.

We are all in some serious trouble.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 08:03 AM
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We have a rate of 10.2 unemployment by the government statistic in the nation right now, the shadow numbers are even double or more of that.

So who are the ones that will be getting penalized for no buying insurance again?.

Anybody that makes certain amount of money a year have insurance already that's about 60% of the population.

People that falls in the Government established poverty level still will get money from the tax payer to get insurance and no penalties for been poor.

You known you should read the bills, the only people been targeted in this bill with mandates are the same people that still work and pay taxes for those that now lie unemployed and destitute.

Like I said before we become a nation of illiterates when people have not clue what is going on in this nations politics.

You my friend have been deceived with the wrong propaganda.

Welfare recipients will still be getting Medicare and Medicaid as usual.

But big insurance companies will then have a mandate by congress to turn anybody with a respectable income into a servant of their goods and services.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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paranoid cherry picking nonsense.

Can some of you please stop pushing your I hate Obama agendas with weak, cherry picked sound bytes.

This is like death panels and other nonsense all over again.

Back it up, or shut it up.



posted on Nov, 11 2009 @ 08:13 AM
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Bush nor this hypocrite Obama have any authority to speak on penalties for freeloaders.

Both bush and Obama Give to the biggest welfare check in the world to AGI, JP Moran, Goldman and friends. Your Great, Great, Great grand kiddies are going to be endenchered servants to solely the interest one this Welfare check.

It will take a billion Ghetto Babies on welfare before we even come close to owing what we all ready owe thanks to our two faced politicians. So you have plenty of time to wait till every person on welfare dies.

But feel free to buy into his con game.



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