"i was only following orders" is no excuse for immoral behavior. i'm glad that there's finally a government willing to prosicute these torturing scumbags.

On almost all Black-Ops... they are told and are aware that they can and will be disavowed in cases such as this...

They knew what they were getting into. No doubt about it. Been there... done that... own the t-shirt.

Originally posted by pieman
"i was only following orders" is no excuse for immoral behavior. i'm glad that there's finally a government willing to prosicute these torturing scumbags.

So what if they are terrorists and were going to kill people? All the CIA did was abduct these guys, they didn't do any immoral.

Seems to me that you statement on morality is quite flawed.

Phil

Originally posted by Philalethes
So what if they are terrorists and were going to kill people? All the CIA did was abduct these guys, they didn't do any immoral.

Its in another country and they clearly broke the law.

If there were Italian secret service agents running around your country assaulting and kidnapping mexicans because they had an issue with them.. would you not expect justice? There are US/EU agreements concerning this type of thing and Italy is Italy after all, not some lawless dump.

There's no point in pulling the terrorist card.. the US cannot pull these stunts in the EU without authorization from EUPOL or the member state. Which they clearly didn't have if the Judicial system is pushing for their incarceration.

The law is the law.

Hey, the dopes know the score. If you get caught playing james bond, you're on your own. No back up, no one will ever admit to knowing you. They didnt cover their tracks and got locked up by some pasta primaveras. What did they expect? Obama to come charging in on a white horse and rescue them, after failing to stay incognito?

Sadly, this is wrong on both sides. Don't blame, don't reward.

Originally posted by Philalethes
Seems to me that you statement on morality is quite flawed.

seems to me you wouldn't know morality if it came up and beat you over the head. kidnapping isn't immoral if the cia say the kidnapped person might be a terrorist!?!

to a certain extent, i'ld hope you get the government you deserve, but i'm not bad natured enough to wish that on anyone.

Originally posted by gandhi
Sadly, this is wrong on both sides. Don't blame, don't reward.

i don't get this. where is the wrong on the italian part?


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They have that backwards: with their lawless behavior, they stabbed their countrymen in the back.

I've zero sympathy for them. Personally, I hope they get "rendered" to the exact same sort of place they so willingly sent others. In my view, they're cowardly whiners. They knew what they were doing, knew it was illegal, immoral, and unnecessary. Yet they did it anyway.

We're better off with them in jail, orr publicly executed, if it comes out that any of their victims died as a result of their kidnapping.

Originally posted by Dermo
If there were Italian secret service agents running around your country assaulting and kidnapping mexicans because they had an issue with them.. would you not expect justice?

I would pay them to do that.

I am kind of mixed about this. I guess for me the level of justice has everything to do with the circumstances behind the abduction.

Because they were not working for "your government" Funny these agents were unaware who their true employers were.

Secrets kept from secret agents... gotta love it.



The ones who walk ahead of those who cannot follow are not leading the way.

Originally posted by Violater1

Very well said and star to you. American sovereignty must be protected at all costs! If you live here in the USA, and don't like this, then get the F%@! out of Our Country!

Sigh.

This is the problem with the US....y'all have a vocal minority that chooses to be angry rather than informed.





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Maybe I'm wrong but I was under the impression that no charges were ever brought against the so called 'terrorists' abducted by these evil 23. Weren't they all eventually released after being tortured. I believe one man was so badly tortured that his permanent injuries require him to use a stick to walk.

It's about time you right wing republicans realised that you are not a special breed of human being. You have no god given right to do what you like to the citizens of the world. What would be unacceptable for foreigners to do in your country is unacceptable for you to do abroad. It's time you got your house in order because what goes around will eventually come around.

It's funny to think that America is the only country that does these operations. If your country is a player on the world stage, guess what your country's doing everything that America's doing. Maybe not on as large as a scale but they would if they could. These acts have been going on since governments were started, so please don't think your government is clean or (if your American) was clean until recently.

Originally posted by Philalethes

Originally posted by pieman
"i was only following orders" is no excuse for immoral behavior. i'm glad that there's finally a government willing to prosicute these torturing scumbags.

So what if they are terrorists and were going to kill people? All the CIA did was abduct these guys, they didn't do any immoral.

Seems to me that you statement on morality is quite flawed.
Phil

When you go into someone else's country, disregard their laws and kidnap someone there whom you intend to fly to another country for torture, you've broken laws and pissed on the trust and respect of your allies.

How would you feel if Italian Intelligence agents came into the US covertly and started picking people off the street for extraordinary rendition without the US government having any idea what they are doing?