To a non christian, or someone who disagrees with biblical teachings then these incidents are without justification, but to a god fearing christian they are perfectly justifiable.

Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by canadianmouse

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I think you make a very good point about these being nothing more than vengeance killings. I agree with you.

I like the saying, "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong".

Killing any living, conscious person is wrong. An unborn fetus is a different matter because it is debatable as to whether or not they are even conscious (i.e. aware of their existence). Especially since their very existence is fully reliant on the existence of another. See, I have my own opinion that anything after the first trimester is wrong. But I'm would never go so far as to condemn someone for doing so just because they share a different opinion.

I read an interesting op-ed once written by someone who worked at an abortion clinic. She was the one who determined whether the mother should be given an abortion based on their state of mind (or something to that affect). She was absolutely astounded by the number of women that came in to the clinic to get an abortion and had to point out that they were against abortion. So this goes to show how important a woman's right to chose is. Even women who advocate against abortion are willing to get one.

Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by Stormdancer777

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It's always open season on Muslims too. But it only matters when your the one being targeted I assume.

This isn't about that thread. This is about those that are for the anti-abortion movement hiding behind Christianity and murdering others.

I personally am on the pro-choice side (not that that matters) but I find it disgusting that someone can't fight for what they believe in a civil manner and decide violence is the only way. They do tarnish the whole movement. While I am not for the movement I would rather see a calm protest then see people bombing abortion clinics killing someone's mother, daughter, sister, brother or father who are already here on this earth. Just because someone doesn't agree with your stance doesn't mean you should seek revenge by killing them.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by centurion1211

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For all who cannot/will not see this for themselves, this thread is nothing more than a shameless smokescreen and attempt to deflect the discussion on ATS away from the tragic muslim-inspired events at Ft. Hood.

It is nothing more than an apologist/appeasers love fest.

I do not see that at all. I see someone pointing out religious Extremists murdering people and calling both sets, Muslim and Christian, murderers.

Muslims do not have an exclusive on murderous extremism and That is the subject matter of the debate.

This is what is disturbing to me. Thinking like that described by the poster you were replying to. How can we ever think we can counter these people (no matter what their religion or belief is) if they are resolute in their thinking that killing someone is justified just because they don't share they same system of beliefs?

How can we ever turn it around? Is it even remotely possible?

Originally posted by nunya13
The sad thing is that some people don't want to be educated. They like being in their dark world of ignorance and absolutism.

Originally posted by nunya13
Now, the real conspiracy would be if the trial was started at this time in order to deflect away from the Fort Hood incident. But that's not the fault of the OP.

Because if you have no education, you won't understand the problem. And that is PRECISELY the problem we are having today

Then try to look at this a little more in depth. And since this is supposed to be a conspiracy theory website, my CT is that the OP purposefully started this thread at this time in an attempt to try and "take the heat" off of muslims due to the Ft. Hood tragedy.

More importantly, Sura 47:35 not only commands against making peace but also provides the model for Muslims to follow today. The text expressly says that Muslims are not to seek for peace if they have the upper hand, which implies that if they are not in a position of dominance....

If, on the other hand, the disbelievers are considered more powerful and numerous than the Muslims, then the Imam (general commander) may decide to hold a treaty if he judges that it entails a benefit for the Muslims. This is like what Allah’s Messenger did when the disbelievers obstructed him from entering Makkah and offered him treaty in which all fighting would stop between them for ten years… (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged) (Surat Al-Jathiyah to the end of Surat Al-Munafiqun) [First Edition: September 2000], Volume 9, p. 118;

There are just as many bible teachings as there are Koran teachings that advocate death and violence and other ridiculous "laws". It's the person who takes them seriously that is to blame. Not the entire religion and ALL it's followers.

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by ModernAcademia

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S&F, MA you invairably come up with the juicy topics.

Soon the Christian Right will resemble the KKK with FBI informants being the largest membership contengent.