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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:52 AM by Miraj
reply to post by ModernAcademia


Oh my god, those radical extremist christians. They are killing people based soley on their religion.

How do our god fearing members that jumped on the "He did it cause he was a muslim!" bandwagon feel about that?


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:55 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by ModernAcademia




It's almost 2010 and people still feel as if they need an archaic sci-fi book to think for them.


Speaking of Sci-Fi religion and the devil, have you ever read Operation Chaos by Poul Anderson (1971) I am sure it is on some banned book lists.....





reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:59 AM by centurion1211
Originally posted by canadianmouse
Originally posted by ModernAcademia


I made this thread
I didn't have an opening post saying "look look, seee there's not only muslim exteremist.. seeeeeee"

Again, check my thread history, i have posted about abortion before, many times in fact.

Smokescreen for the many threads on the fort hood incident?
You do know you can continue making those threads active right?

This is a thread on it's own bro
feel free to contribute but please stop derailing the thread with your hate for other beliefs.

thx in advance



I agree.

This isn't about that thread. This is about those that are for the anti-abortion movement hiding behind Christianity and murdering others.

I personally am on the pro-choice side (not that that matters) but I find it disgusting that someone can't fight for what they believe in a civil manner and decide violence is the only way. They do tarnish the whole movement. While I am not for the movement I would rather see a calm protest then see people bombing abortion clinics killing someone's mother, daughter, sister, brother or father who are already here on this earth. Just because someone doesn't agree with your stance doesn't mean you should seek revenge by killing them.


Then lets also include the other "bookend" for this topic - the death penalty.

Are you one of those that is against the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Are you one of those that sees no philosophical conflict with being OK with killing innocent unborn children, while trying to keep convicted murderers alive? Do you justify your beliefs with the "already here on earth" argument?

Just wondering ...


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:10 PM by canadianmouse
reply to post by centurion1211


I am against the death penalty. Why because there are too much of a chance that an innocent person would die. I also find death is not justice, its revenge when it comes to the death penalty.

Abortion isn't murder to me nor will it ever be murder to me. A fetus does not breathe on its own. Pregnancy isn't easy for a woman to go through and there is a lot required of the female body in order to give birth. There are reasons as to why a woman may want to abort, and I support the woman's right to chose.
If we didn't have legal abortions many women would die by trying to perform the abortion themselves or hiring a backroom doctor.

With the death penalty there have been cases where people are put to death and found out years later that they were innocent. What do you do then? Say oh sorry our bad? Also the death penalty doesn't stop murder and doesn't prove anything other then giving people the revenge they seek. It is much harder to live with what you have done, then die. I am more for letting them live out their lives like a caged animal.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:14 PM by nunya13
reply to post by canadianmouse


This is what is disturbing to me. Thinking like that described by the poster you were replying to. How can we ever think we can counter these people (no matter what their religion or belief is) if they are resolute in their thinking that killing someone is justified just because they don't share they same system of beliefs?

How can we ever turn it around? Is it even remotely possible?


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:22 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by centurion1211


For all who cannot/will not see this for themselves, this thread is nothing more than a shameless smokescreen and attempt to deflect the discussion on ATS away from the tragic muslim-inspired events at Ft. Hood.

It is nothing more than an apologist/appeasers love fest.


I do not see that at all. I see someone pointing out religious Extremists murdering people and calling both sets, Muslim and Christian, murderers.

Muslims do not have an exclusive on murderous extremism and That is the subject matter of the debate.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:22 PM by canadianmouse
Originally posted by nunya13
reply to post by canadianmouse


This is what is disturbing to me. Thinking like that described by the poster you were replying to. How can we ever think we can counter these people (no matter what their religion or belief is) if they are resolute in their thinking that killing someone is justified just because they don't share they same system of beliefs?

How can we ever turn it around? Is it even remotely possible?



I don't think we will ever turn it around because there is always something that the majority believes and if you aren't on that bandwagon then you deserve to be faught. History shows that time and time again. For some reason we don't seem to learn from our mistakes. It doesn't matter if it is religion or a cause. For some reason violence ends up being the end result of how we decide to get our point across. For some reason there always ends up being people out there with radical views.

You would think in this day and age we would be much more advance to be able to fight for what we believe in without violence.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:24 PM by nunya13
reply to post by canadianmouse


I think you make a very good point about these being nothing more than vengeance killings. I agree with you.

I like the saying, "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong".

Killing any living, conscious person is wrong. An unborn fetus is a different matter because it is debatable as to whether or not they are even conscious (i.e. aware of their existence). Especially since their very existence is fully reliant on the existence of another. See, I have my own opinion that anything after the first trimester is wrong. But I'm would never go so far as to condemn someone for doing so just because they share a different opinion.

I read an interesting op-ed once written by someone who worked at an abortion clinic. She was the one who determined whether the mother should be given an abortion based on their state of mind (or something to that affect). She was absolutely astounded by the number of women that came in to the clinic to get an abortion and had to point out that they were against abortion. So this goes to show how important a woman's right to chose is. Even women who advocate against abortion are willing to get one.
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