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Topic started on 10-11-2009 @ 09:41 AM by ModernAcademia

Christian terrorists release Defensive Action Statement, justify political assassination

www.examiner.com

Christian terrorists have released a Defensive Action Statement in an attempt to justify political assassination. The same day Christian terrorist Scott Roeder admits killing Dr. George Tiller, his fellow Christian terrorists released their "Defensive Action Statement 3rd Edition" that proclaims any force that can be used to defend the life of a "born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child."

In reality the Christian terrorists strategy is neither competent, nor rational; t

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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:41 AM by ModernAcademia

The argument that it should be legal to use lethal force to protect a fetus is ludicrous. Abortion is legal. How can it ever be legally justified to murder (assassinate) someone who has broken no law? No competent jury would go along with such faulty reasoning.

Well I do agree that their tactic is far from efficient, but I also think that abortion is wrong.

But these guys are just giving the anti-abortion group a bad name, and that may be counter-productive.

Honestly... I wonder if there is something about about this.

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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:53 AM by djvexd

IMO they are not protecting ANYTHING. They are exacting revenge and attempting to justify it. Are they advocating killing mothers who are about to walk into a clinic for an abortion? No. They are waiting until an abortion or many have been done, then executing people. They are using their propensity for vengenance and murder and attempting to conceal that fact that they are killers in some noble gesture of protecting the innocent fetus. Extreme animal activists ( not PETA) have used this same tactic and rhetoric before. No amount of belief in a cause can erase the fact that they are simple murderers and vigilantes. MA that rant was not directed at you my friend.

edit for spelling

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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:55 AM by damwel

Well we have a right to defend ourselves and whatever State is harboring these terrorists I demand that we start bombing them right away. If it's Texas bomb em twice cause it's big. Just because it is a US state we have the same right to protect ourselves just as we did in Iraq and Afghanistan.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:03 AM by Kaploink

Thank you for posting this. I get so tired of people over looking religious extremism when it's Christian based. An extremist who advocates killing people for their cause is a terrorist no matter what their religion is. Those that support these people are no better than those that supported the 9/11 terrorists.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:16 AM by whaaa

reply to post by ModernAcademia

S&F, MA you invairably come up with the juicy topics.

Soon the Christian Right will resemble the KKK with FBI informants being the largest membership contengent.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:26 AM by ModernAcademia

reply to post by djvexd

Yes I do agree with you on that
These people are stupid extremists
well I guess all extremists are

but they are their own worst enemy
They will just end up making anti-abortionists ridiculed as terroists

and this is last quarter of 09
we already had enough "right wing militia" type headlines so far

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:28 AM by nunya13

reply to post by djvexd

I fully agree with you. It still amazes me the people that think it so important to protect life but then are so flippant about taking the life of those they are against.

I see parallels between this story, the Holocaust Museum killings and the Fort Hood killings. For the latter, people are saying we had a terrorist attack on American soil. That there should now be zero tolerance for Muslims.

On the other, people are dismissing acts like this one and the Holocaust Museum killer as nothing more than isolated incidents committed by nutjobs who we shouldn't use as an example to use for all right wingers.

I am NOT saying right wingers should be grouped in with people like Roeder. What I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of it all.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:31 AM by badgerprints

It's sad that the outrage against murder is only used in such a one sided way.

Abortion,
by any other name,
is still murder.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:40 AM by canadianmouse

Originally posted by badgerprints
It's sad that the outrage against murder is only used in such a one sided way.

Abortion,
by any other name,
is still murder.

We could fight all day about what side of the abortion coin each of us is, but for now lets just agree that those that are already born shouldn't be murdered and those that murder shouldn't cloak themselves in Christianity to be over looked as terrorists.

As I stated in another thread, Religious terrorists are all over. We really should realize that radicals come from all walks of life.

S&F

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:48 AM by Maxmars

Mod error .... thread now reopened

Apologies

MM

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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 10:57 AM by crimvelvet

reply to post by nunya13

I see parallels between this story, the Holocaust Museum killings and the Fort Hood killings. For the latter, people are saying we had a terrorist attack on American soil. That there should now be zero tolerance for Muslims.

On the other, people are dismissing acts like this one and the Holocaust Museum killer as nothing more than isolated incidents committed by nutjobs who we shouldn't use as an example to use for all right wingers.

I am NOT saying right wingers should be grouped in with people like Roeder. What I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of it all.

I agree with you to a point. But I would advocate close scrutiny of the back ground of Muslims in the armed forces for a couple of reasons.

1. We are presently fighting against those of their religion and we are still basically a "Christian nation" in the eyes of Muslims.

2. Muslim training camps: Sheikh Gilani, a Pakistani cleric, founder of Muslim America, states in his recruitment videos: “We give [students] specialized training in guerilla warfare. We are at present establishing training camps. You can easily reach us at Open Quranic offices in upstate New York or in Canada or in South Carolina or in Pakistan.” Similarly, in a handbook, published by the university, Gilani writes that the foremost duty of all students is to wage war against “the oppressors of Muslims.” The students are expected to sign an oath that reads: “I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah’s sake.” jihad watch

3. Lying to a non-Muslim is not seen as morally wrong by Muslims. Muslims can use lies and deception when they feel that they are in war against the unbelievers.

As a business person dealing with Muslims, I find they have absolutely no respect for an agreement. It can be very frustrating.

Do not make the mistake of thinking Muslim's view of honor and morality is the same as that of a Christian or any other faith. It is not.

.....The real problem is that based on the above facts one can hardly avoid the conclusion that in Islam "peace is deceit", i.e. the "peace talk" of Muslims is deceit, because the Muslims do not seek genuine and lasting peace that includes freedom and security for the non-Muslims, particularly the freedom of religion, but only seek to buy time and the opportunity to regroup and gain strength until they are strong enough to subjugate the infidels and force them under the rule of Islam. That certainly cannot be called "seeking peace".

Basically, these texts justify lying to the non-Muslims all the time.
www.answering-islam.org...

That said, Extremists of any religion that use "breaking their rules" as justification for murder are murders and should be viewed as such.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:06 AM by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by crimvelvet
2. Muslim training camps:

www.upi.com...

Of course it's not completely the same but there are parallels
Blackwater is a christian crusading company and they are accepting civilians now.

Honestly, there are similarities.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
That said, Extremists of any religion that use "breaking their rules" as justification for murder are murders and should be viewed as such.

Yes here I agree
Unfortunately blackwater is completely unaccountable for any killings they did in babylon(iraq).

Now as far as abortion goes, killing is wrong.
I MAY be somewhat flexible in calling murder depending on what trimester the abortion was done, but I often debate with myself on that topic.

But why can't anyone debate about such issues like abortion without involving religion into it?

It's almost 2010 and people still feel as if they need an archaic sci-fi book to think for them.

You could definately argue about abortion without needing to bring religion into the discussion.

And then after brining religion speaking of murder.......
well....

See I believe that in the bible god was the devil and the devil was god.
Maybe that's why so many are confused.

Fear god, obey god, bla bla bla, it's so dictactorial.
the devil just says, go tempt yourself, it's all up to you.

The Devil is a libertarian

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:12 AM by nunya13

reply to post by badgerprints

That's your opinion. No one can say, let alone, prove when life begins in the womb. So to call it murder is an opinion at this point. Some people simply don't share your opinion.

Now, late term abortions (anything after the first trimester), IMO, is murder.

Regardless of my opinion or yours, the focus of this thread is this group trying to justify the murder of this and possibly future abortion doctors. As you said, murder is murder.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:22 AM by centurion1211

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by djvexd

Yes I do agree with you on that
These people are stupid extremists
well I guess all extremists are

Are you grudgingly admitting that muslim extremists are also "stupid"? I have to disagree. I don't think they are stupid at all. Underestimating them will only put more people in harms way.

but they are their own worst enemy
They will just end up making anti-abortionists ridiculed as terroists

So, that's OK with you, but do islamic terrirsts merit your same litmus test? It seems from all your other posts, the answer is no.

and this is last quarter of 09
we already had enough "right wing militia" type headlines so far

I haven't really seen any. Guess they've been drowned out by all the islamic terrorist headlines based on actual events.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:27 AM by whaaa

reply to post by ModernAcademia

I just find it extremely hypocritical to claim to worship the "Prince of Peace" and declare war on those they disagree with.

Claiming to be an instrument of God when in all actuality being a political and self directed moral entity; seems fraught with spiritual repercussions.

as in...........judge not least ye be judged

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:34 AM by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by centurion1211
Are you grudgingly admitting that muslim extremists are also "stupid"? I have to disagree. I don't think they are stupid at all. Underestimating them will only put more people in harms way.

Being stupid and ignorant is different from being well coordinated.
Extremism = ignorance
but dude.... your way too paranoid man

Originally posted by centurion1211
So, that's OK with you, but do islamic terrirsts merit your same litmus test? It seems from all your other posts, the answer is no.

Really?
That's OK with me? That's what you got from my post?
No it's NOT ok with me.
And from my other posts your clouded and hateful mind was not and is not able to differentiate from me trying to differentiate between religious extremism and opposition to foreign occupation.

Guess what. It's NOT rocket science.

Originally posted by centurion1211
I haven't really seen any. Guess they've been drowned out by all the islamic terrorist headlines based on actual events.

There have been such headlines
You can check my thread history and you'll find a few

You do know that it's impossible to win a debate when your only tool of persuasion is generalization right?

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:35 AM by centurion1211

For all who cannot/will not see this for themselves, this thread is nothing more than a shameless smokescreen and attempt to deflect the discussion on ATS away from the tragic muslim-inspired events at Ft. Hood.

It is nothing more than an apologist/appeasers love fest.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:37 AM by crimvelvet

reply to post by ModernAcademia

And then after brining religion speaking of murder.......
well....

See I believe that in the bible god was the devil and the devil was god.
Maybe that's why so many are confused.

Fear god, obey god, bla bla bla, it's so dictactorial.
the devil just says, go tempt yourself, it's all up to you.

The Devil is a libertarian

NO NO The devil can not be a libertarian. After all the Kings and Pharaohs used religion to control the unwashed masses. That makes God a libertarian!

I will agree with you about religion. It is used by those in power to get the unwashed masses to willingly kill for them. The amount of blood shed and hatred whipped up in the name of religion is horrifying. Now we have "Mother Earth" substituted for religion and used to whip up hatred and passion.

reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 11:38 AM by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by centurion1211
For all who cannot/will not see this for themselves, this thread is nothing more than a shameless smokescreen and attempt to deflect the discussion on ATS away from the tragic muslim-inspired events at Ft. Hood.

It is nothing more than an apologist/appeasers love fest.