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Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:36 AM
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It is just amazing what this regime is doing.

Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists


In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site "not to disclose the existence of this request" unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us, said she was shocked to receive the Justice Department's subpoena. (The Independent Media Center is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward "promoting social and economic justice" and "social change.")

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.


Anybody reminded of Communist Russia or Nazi Germany on acts like this?




posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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more fear mongering.... all they have to do is pass and enforce any of this crap and public offical or not.... they are fired... by the whole town... then by the whole state... and they by the whole nation... so, even with all of the modern day enslavement techniques they are using.... they can not break the spirit of America.... when you have nothing left to lose....
well we all lose it.... and 300 million losing it and looking at a fat tub of lard, living on the sweat and blood of the masses.... there is always a time for "Find the Bastard" and lets string him up... or her in either case... you know equal rights....



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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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It's quite amazing that you have completely failed to recognize the difference between the executive and judicial branches of government.

Besides the subpoena had been withdrawn anyway.

But nice to know you (Somehow) think that Obama did this personally as a direct threat to the united states in his OBVIOUS
and endless attempts to subdue the country as a whole in some insane and ill conceived plot to destroy the US.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:07 AM
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But I don't understand. Aren't liberals for free speech and allowing people to express their opinions and points of view? "step into their shoes"?

All I see from this liberal administration is attempt after attempt to silence and discredit anyone who has a different opinion than them.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:11 AM
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This isn't a "liberal" versus "conservative" issue, stop trying to twist everything into right -vs- left dude, the world just doesn't work that way.


This story should serve as the "poster child" for dedicated proxy use.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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and then in today's article in Telegraph UK

State to "spy" on every phone call, email, and web search

All telecoms companies and internet service providers will be required by law to keep a record of every customer’s personal communications, showing who they have contacted, when and where, as well as the websites they have visited.

653 public bodies will be given access to the information

They will not require the permission of a judge or a magistrate to obtain the information.

The new law will increase the amount of personal data that can be obtained by officials through the controversial Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA), which is supposed to be used for fighting terrorism.

The new rules, known as the Intercept Modernisation Programme, will not only force communications companies to keep their records for longer, but to expand the type of data they keep to include details of every website their customers visit, effectively registering every online click.

(see link for full article)



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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The Department of Justice falls under the executive branch of government, with Eric Holder, Obama's Attorney General, at the top.

Departments of the Executive Branch

As for the issue at hand, I don't know what they plan to use the information for, but it seems par for the course for the last several years. Its an invasion of the privacy of ordinary citizens, something that's hardly unusual these days.

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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This isn't a "liberal" versus "conservative" issue, stop trying to twist everything into right -vs- left dude, the world just doesn't work that way.


YES. It is us Serfs against the powerful and greedy. The right -vs- left crap is to keep us from noticing they are stealing everyone blind and consolidating power.

This article is just another example of how much the government holds the Constitution and us Serfs in contempt. Bush was blatant and Obama's Admin. is even more so.

No I am not a liberal, but I have eyes to see the gradual return of Feudalism under the guise of "Socialism" - if the audience is right - wing, OR the gradual return of Feudalism under the guise of "Free Market Capitalism" - if the audience is left - wing. What we see is neither Socialism or Capitalism but "fascism" headed for Feudalism as the wealth, power and control becomes more concentrated in the hands of a very few and personal freedoms and property rights are eroded.






posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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You know, Obama didn't make and pass these laws. Bush did, in order to protect you. Why is it such a problem now? Now don't get me wrong. I am extremely annoyed at Obama and the Congress for not repealing this poppycock and restoring our rights. I used to sit here on this site and complain about what Bush was doing to our rights and get called a terrorist sympathizer and lots of other things. Why didn't you speak out then?



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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NJJewel.....................
State to "spy" on every phone call, email, and web search ISP


Providers always seem to find a way around things like this.
Probably because at the end of the day, they go home to their PCs and internet and know that it will affect them on a personal level too.

I'm sure they'll find a solution to this.




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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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and then in today's article in Telegraph UK

State to "spy" on every phone call, email, and web search

All telecoms companies and internet service providers will be required by law to keep a record of every customer’s personal communications, showing who they have contacted, when and where, as well as the websites they have visited.

653 public bodies will be given access to the information

They will not require the permission of a judge or a magistrate to obtain the information.

The new law will increase the amount of personal data that can be obtained by officials through the controversial Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA), which is supposed to be used for fighting terrorism.

The new rules, known as the Intercept Modernisation Programme, will not only force communications companies to keep their records for longer, but to expand the type of data they keep to include details of every website their customers visit, effectively registering every online click.


Good find. For those of us in the USA this is a definite Heads-up. The Lisbon Treaty also removed our elected government too.



“In a sweeping move that has garnered surprisingly little attention this week the United States and the European Union have signed up to a new transatlantic economic partnership that will see regulatory standards “harmonized” and will lay the basis for a merging of the US and EU into one single market, a huge step on the path to a new globalized world order.” The BBC reported from the Summit in Washington on Monday:

Source


"The term “treaty” as a matter of U.S. constitutional law denotes international agreements made by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate in accordance with Article II, section 2 of the Constitution of the United States...." US State Dept

There are also ‘executive agreements’ which are International Agreements entered into by the President, that don't require the consent of the Senate. Internationally they are viewed as just as binding as a treaty.

What that means is Bush has agreed to "harmonize" (make our laws the same as ) the laws in the European Union.

No I am not crazy we have very good examples. One is The National Animal ID, mandated by the World Trade Organization and bitterly contested by 90% of US farmers. Another example is the substitution of International HACCP for our old food regs - it is the cause of the recent increase in food disease. The third is a Bill that just passed the house, the horrifying HR 2749: Totalitarian Control of the Food Supply

Good old Monsanto and Bill Clinton pulled a bait and switch on Congress and the American people. Robert Shapiro, CEO of Monsanto, was Clinton's foreign trade advisor and Dan Amstutz, VP of Cargill,working with the U.S. Trade Representative's office, wrote the WTO Ag Agreement.

To get WTO ratified Congressional fears were lulled by pointing out Congress is ultimately responsible for changing the laws of the United States; and second, the U.S. is entitled to withdraw from the WTO. Also a feature of the Uruguay Round agreements are described as follows:



United States Law to Prevail in Conflict The URAA puts U.S. sovereignty and U.S. law under perfect protection. According to the Act, if there is a conflict between U.S. and any of the Uruguay Round agreements, U.S. law will take precedence regardless when U.S. law is enacted. § 3512 (a) states: "No provision of any of the Uruguay Round Agreements, nor the application of any such provision to any person or circumstance, that is inconsistent with any law of the United States shall have effect." Specifically, implementing the WTO agreements shall not be construed to "amend or modify any law of the United States, including any law relating to (i) the protection of human, animal, or plant life or health, (ii) the protection of the environment, or (iii) worker safety", or to "limit any authority conferred under any law of the United States, including section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974." www.eastlaw.net...


Now ten years later the tune has changed, according to the Monsanto run FDA



The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.

And yes the FDA IS run by Monsanto.


....the FDA announced that Michael Taylor, a former Monsanto executive, had joined the agency as “senior advisor to the commissioner.” If the title is vague, the portfolio (pasted from the press release) is substantial—a kind of food czar of the Food and Drug Administration.....

Mr. Taylor is a lawyer who began his revolving door adventures as counsel to FDA. He then moved to King & Spalding, a private-sector law firm representing Monsanto, a leading agricultural biotechnology company. In 1991 he returned to the FDA as Deputy Commissioner for Policy, where he was part of the team that issued the agency’s decidedly industry-friendly policy on food biotechnology and that approved the use of Monsanto’s genetically engineered growth hormone in dairy cows. His questionable role in these decisions led to an investigation by the federal General Accounting Office, which eventually exonerated him of all conflict-of-interest charges. In 1994, Mr. Taylor moved to USDA to become administrator of its Food Safety and Inspection Service ... After another stint in private legal practice with King & Spalding, Mr. Taylor again joined Monsanto as Vice President for Public Policy in 1998.
Jul 2009: Monsanto’s man Taylor returns to FDA in food-czar role



If the US Congress is willing to pass laws closely regulating our right to grow and transport food (I am talking home gardens and your family car), then spying on us is nothing. Heck they already do that to farmers.



My State Dept of Ag also provided the expo organizers with numerous e-mails that I had written about NAIS - going back an entire year. I saw these e-mails from our State Dept of Ag with my own eyes. It was then that I realized they are actually tracking me on the internet.
NAIS Supporters Fighting Dirty By Karen Nowak,



RUN RUN the terrorist chickens are attacking!!!!




posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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i read the 'subpoena' article earlier today. and from it there are 2 coercive actions denoted: the subpoena itself and the gag order issued on the aftermath. It`s true that both legal actions failed miserably, but the thing is that this "internet regulation" subject is gaining a lot of momentum -- first i was under the impression that it came exclusively from more of underground sources, such as this discussion board, but, now, i find it`s becoming more apparent, obvious, and mainstream.

on a side note, in my twisted head, i correlated this article presented by the OP with this other one: www.reuters.com...



WASHINGTON, Nov 12 (Reuters) - U.S. health regulators, eyeing whether new rules are needed for Internet-delivered information on drugs and medical devices, will hear from companies and consumer groups at a two-day meeting that starts Thursday. The Food and Drug Administration is gathering opinions on whether drug advertising on the Internet needs special oversight. The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America industry group has already said it will urge the FDA to adopt a safety logo on Web content that would link to FDA-approved information about a drug or device.


from my point of view, the matter discussed at this reuter`s piece is nothing more then censorship disguised as "political correctness" and public service*. sure enough, it looks like a small feat, nothing important, but i`d risk to say that this summit final decision will certainly affect our online liberties and freedom of speech, either directly by expressly forbidding people to share opinions on drug treatments (maybe even alternative methods that wouldn`t comply with FDA approved policies) or (AND) indirectly on the cases that the same jurisprudence should/could apply -- i.e., even harsher censorship...

*emphasizing: i`m not concerned with the FDA mandating that internet ads (banners) should bring "this is a medicament and may bring collateral effects --- consult your doctor". but, its implications, and possible extensions of such ruling.

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