Non-Obese Section, please!

If non-smokers can get a non-smoking section, I would like a non-obese section. People who are so fat that it's disgusting & unhealthy should not be in my sight while I eat. In fact, it's unhealthy to even be near them.

internationalbreathinstitute.com...

"The International Breath Institute, Colorado, has found that 70 per cent of your body's natural toxins are released during exhalation."

Also, obesity is now the biggest killer in America. There are people who are "big-boned" but I'm talking about so fat that it's unnatural. Even a big-boned person can be healthy & fit, exercise, and look good. There is a point where a person becomes so fat that it's unnatural, which is probably when they can't even take care of themselves, like walk the dog around the block, for example.

There has been a lot in the past decade against smokers. I'm a smoker and I'm still healthy. I only have 5-10 cigarettes a day, and can run, hike, exercise, and am generally a very healthy person. I don't think a very obese person can be healthy.

According to www.forces.org smoking does have some health benefits, such as a lower risk of Parkinson's disease. In fact, the oldest people in the world were smokers. Jeanne Louise Calment, the French woman who lived to 122, was a smoker the vast majority of her life. Obese people never live that old.

So there is my opinion. If smokers get persecuted, obese people should as well.

So just because you're a smoker and you feel picked on, you think fat people should get picked on aswell? that's nice of you.

Originally posted by bettermakings
People who are so fat that it's disgusting & unhealthy should not be in my sight while I eat.

How about those that are not clean enough for you, maybe someone who masticates to loudly should be given the boot in your presence, small children who are too loud, how about someone who complains loudly. Does a pregnant woman disgust you as well?

Hell let's just all leave when you enter a place to dine, that way there would be no one to complain about. Oh, wait, maybe the waiter or waitress doesn't measure up to your high standards.

Or, you could just stay home and cook for yourself, that seems like a solution to your problem. Maybe you should give that a try.

Maybe I am a little bitter about the persecution of smokers. If you read my thread as satire, it might make some sense, and you might realize my point.

WW2:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

. . . and now. . .

WW3:
First they came for the unborn, and I did not speak out—because I was not an unborn;
Then they came for the smokers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a smoker;
Then they came for the obese, and I did not speak out—because I was not obese;
Then they came for the elderly, and I did not speak out—because I was not elderly;
Then they came for the religious, and I did not speak out—because I was not religious;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

NOW do you get my point?

You don't have to pick on a whole other group of people to get your point across though, and that's what you did.

Some obese people have medical conditions which make them obese, opening up a packet and sticking a cigarette in your mouth is your decision. I'm a smoker too but I think your OP was a little offensive.

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I'm a smoker and its just been one MASSIVE witch hunt targeting one group of people, us poor smokers

I can see your point of view, alcohol and obesity are costing the health service probably much more than smoking does, yet no restrictive, dictatorial action is taken against anyone there !!

I think us smokers are the guinea-pigs to see if peeps will accept all the rules, i.e you can't smoke here, you can't smoke there

And we do........

Like good little sheeple, we are obedient, Big Brother has spoken and we will obey :shk:

You're right....alcohol next....obesity as well....then probably something else after that, etc !

Mmmmm....rant over !!

reply to post by bettermakings

Non-Obese Section, please!

Maybe we could just create a perfect world for all the perfect humans. Perfectly slim and trim... perfectly non-smoking... perfectly political...

Personally... I sure wouldn't miss them. In fact, that might make life a little more perfect for the rest of us subhumans.

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I'm glad someone understands. Sometimes I write in satire. Remember Jon Swift's eating babies story? This was supposed to be something like that.

I don't seriously want a Non-Obese Section, but the way smokers are persecuted today, there is a part of me that wants others to suffer with me. It would be legitimate, and I DO think that is the way it's going.

Obese persecution coming soon (It's already beginning).

Then, elderly. . . etc . . . etc. . .

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People will wake up one day and realise that a nation divided is a nation easier to control !!
We must'nt forget that us smokers are truly despicable people, even though its been socially acceptable to smoke for goodness knows how long !!!

Aaaaaargh......there's a smoker over there, lets call the Ciggie Gestapo and have em locked up

Man, this country is turning into Nazi Germany !!!

Hail McBroon

No one better get near my alcohol...

I think people are FAR too sensitive towards the plight of the giant person. I, too, have a 450 pound man lurking inside me, and it takes me quite a bit of willpower to channel that energy into being lean.

I am so sick of people talking about DNA like it is so often the be-all-end-all. I have a history of HBP in my family and was diagnosed at 24 for it. I run every day and eat right, and guess what? I have a lower blood pressure than most of the "healthy" population.

I'm not tooting my own horn, but it is not like being born with diabetes or a heart condition. It can be turned around.

So yeah, the people who are tankers, I think they are just as bad as any smokers. Both are pretty gross in my book.

Gotta remember that the drinking of alcohol, and smoking, be it tobacco or other *ahem* unmentionables, coffee too, have been part of rituals for thousands of years..

And somehow it's these things that are either frowned upon or criminalised.. It makes no sense..

But this spate of obesity sweeping the world has no such roots. It comes purely from the modern sedentary lifestyle, in which everything is far far far too easy.

Only a hundred years ago it was almost completely unheard of, only in the aristocracy.. But now it seems that everyone wants and wants without ever thinking of their impact on the world..

I mean no offence to anyone at all, just pointing out the cold hard truth

After much research I actually may have found the cure to the obesity plaguing so many people in America and around the world.


DON'T OPEN THE DOOR........


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Originally posted by purehughness
Gotta remember that the drinking of alcohol, and smoking, be it tobacco or other *ahem* unmentionables, coffee too, have been part of rituals for thousands of years..

And somehow it's these things that are either frowned upon or criminalised.. It makes no sense..

But this spate of obesity sweeping the world has no such roots. It comes purely from the modern sedentary lifestyle, in which everything is far far far too easy.

Only a hundred years ago it was almost completely unheard of, only in the aristocracy.. But now it seems that everyone wants and wants without ever thinking of their impact on the world..

I mean no offence to anyone at all, just pointing out the cold hard truth

You are soooo right about the modern sedentary lifestyle !

Everyone drives everywhere, I once had a friend who drove 100 yards from her house to Asda :shk:
I mean.....come on !!

I love walking and eat only when hungry, it blows me away that some people, obviously ones without medical reasons, let themselves go to such a degree !

Over in the States, I noticed some supermarkets had extra wide checkout aisles for the obese to get through !!
Some people are just greedy......nicotine may be an addiction but so is food

Originally posted by uk today

Everyone drives everywhere, I once had a friend who drove 100 yards from her house to Asda :shk:
I mean.....come on !!

That's just crazy..

I used to love the mile walk to the supermarket when I was at university...
Bit of a pain walking back laden down, but it kept me in shape!

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I used to walk 2 miles to school and 2 miles back !!! In all weathers as well

I have to do a lot of walking at the moment cos I wrote my car off a few months ago, but I feel so much fitter and toned through it.
So even when I get wheels again, I'll only use the car for distance travel.

Mmmmm.......of course I'm not really fit cos I'm a smoker and TPTB tell me I'm doomed :shk:

I can throw as much alcohol down my neck and get to be size 28 or whatever and that's fine, but light up that cigarette and I'm becoming Public Enemy number one

Originally posted by uk today
reply to post by purehughness

 

I can throw as much alcohol down my neck and get to be size 28 or whatever and that's fine, but light up that cigarette and I'm becoming Public Enemy number one

That's rubbish in my opinion, obese people get a hell of a lot of flack, rightly or wrongly.

It's not that I disagree that smokers get targeted, I do, my mam and dad smoke and believe me I hear about it daily I just thought the way the op went on about obese people and the title of the thread is just not called for,infact I thought it was ridiculous, to say we get targeted so fat people should aswell is just a stupid idea.

Fight for your cause, don't just hope to pass it on to another group of people, and possibly sit being one of the moaners that you hated when all the attention was at you.

[edit on 12-11-2009 by valiant]

Originally posted by purehughness
Gotta remember that the drinking of alcohol, and smoking, be it tobacco or other *ahem* unmentionables, coffee too, have been part of rituals for thousands of years..

And somehow it's these things that are either frowned upon or criminalised.. It makes no sense..

But this spate of obesity sweeping the world has no such roots. It comes purely from the modern sedentary lifestyle, in which everything is far far far too easy.

Only a hundred years ago it was almost completely unheard of, only in the aristocracy.. But now it seems that everyone wants and wants without ever thinking of their impact on the world..

I mean no offence to anyone at all, just pointing out the cold hard truth

It was only 50 years ago that regular exercise began to sweep across the nation. Before that only freak muscle builders exercised and no one jogged. Gym memberships were unheard of.

Obesity is not caused by sedentary behaviour, rather, it's more likely that being obese causes one to be sedentary.

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Ridiculous indeed.

If you've never been obese, or haven't worked with obese/overweight people, I think slamming them for "losing control" is pretty shallow.

You have a choice to smoke, or not. You know the effects of cigarette smoke, the increased cancer rates and the dangers of second hand smoke. You know how to quit, however, you either choose not to or you are so addicted to it, you can't.

How does smoking cigarettes even come close to being obese? Quitting smoking is as simple as putting the cigarette down, curing obesity is not as simple as putting down the fork.

Here's a few facts about obesity:

It slows the metabolism.

It produces a lack of energy, and therefore causes what seems to be laziness.

Increasing energy expenditure(exercise) increases apetite.

It causes overeating.

Semi-starvation diets do not work to cure it.

It is not a psychological problem.

So, eating less and exercising more doesn't work. Fat people are hungrier and eat more because of their obesity, not the other way around.

What is obesity? It is excess fat deposition. More specifically, it's a hormonal inbalance that causes fat to be stored(lypogenic) and not released to be burned as fuel(lipolysis). This is why fat people are hungry all the time, the fat is kept in the fat cells instead of released, so more calories are needed for fuel.

This metabolic malfunction is affected by the quality of calories, independent of caloric quantity.

Obesity treatment has turned from this hypothesis, which is supported by tons of literature, unlike the current treatments, which rely on calories in vs calories out and generally consider obesity to be a psychological problem, labeling fat people as being mentally weak.

This unsupported hypothesis was decided by 12 people in the early 1970, none of which had any experience treated obese patients or conducting research. They readily admitted that they're ideas were nothing short of opinions.......assumptions based on "common sense."

-Dev

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It is not a psychological problem.

Whilst I agree with your post, I disagree with that one statement.
Perhaps you mean its not a matter of mental laziness? Certainly obese people dont overeat because they are always hungry or simply like food. It can stem from a miriad of reasons and triggers, and their addictive peptides (behavioural chemicals to set patterns) continue to be realeased and received by receptors (kinda like nicotine villi). These can include, but are not limited to;
the need to continue low self esteem,
pepretuate a self punishment,
protect themselves physically from being 'noticed' (sexual and physical abuse victims have a tendancy to do this),
and so on....

For someone to eat away like that, is usually because somethiing is eating away at them.