my "unified field" theory for science and christianity, page 1
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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 03:28 PM by HotSauce
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LMAO, well my condolences that you wern't attractive enough as a child for the Priest to give you some bonus classes. Yikes! Better luck next time.

I like your theory. I don't know if it is the unified field theory but what the heck. I could kind of see myself being god and my kids tearing up the house and me change them back to monkeys just so they don't forget who the boss is.

Doon't make me turn you back to monkeys you little brats.

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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 03:35 PM by Avenginggecko
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But a god that reacts in sync with time isn't an omniscient god. If you knew everything that was, is, and will be, then you wouldn't have typical emotional reactions that follow consequence - reaction.

For example, let's put you in god's shoes. You get lonely, you want to make a friend. You know that by making this friend and putting him in your backyard, he will eat your magical fruit, kill your son, and then continue to poison the land and spill other's blood.

You create him anyway because you know he will adore you.

Why do you get mad when he does the above? You knew his actions were coming, and you did them anyway because you know he'll love you. Unless the god of the literal Bible is putting on some kind of dramatic play for an audience we can't see, it doesn't make a lick of sense. That's one of the logical fallacies of the (literally interpreted) Bible.

And unless I'm mistaken the Bible gave dominion over the Earth to men, so why would he make them animals very much subservient to nature's processes and fellow species?

I think the more likely theory of Christianity and Evolution is that we evolved naturally on this planet and that there is a creator, but we can only interpret it through our very skewed, very animal minds. And that's how we get things like the Bible!



reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 03:55 PM by Avenginggecko
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But if he was omnipotent, he should be able to make himself omniscient. We've learned in less than a century that we can manipulate time in a lab, but an all-powerful deity can't? Time is a force of nature, something which came into effect when the universe was created. If god can do anything but is still beholden to something that was created, then how can he be the creator?


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 03:57 PM by HotSauce
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Maybe He thought being omniscient sucked because He digs suprises. So He decided to use his omnipotence to make himself a tad less omniscient.

For example, we all have many things we are good at but we choose not to do them because they don't lead to what we find to be enjoyment.

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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 04:58 PM by On the Edge
I hope this isn't straying off topic....We all have questions about the existence of God and what's been going on here in this universe. As a kid,when I was first told thatGod made the world,my first question was ,"Then who made God?" I hope in the next life I will be able to ask Him this in person,if there is a heaven like the bible tells us.

I think we aren't meant to have all the answers,but we are given the desire to know. Not so we can be "gods" ourselves,but rather to know our origins,like an adopted child yearns to know their natural parents.

I look at my cat and consider her perfect "catness". She is everything she was created to be. I think we could all have been that,"all we were created to be",if not for sin and all the ways this world has contaminated us(the air,our food,our water,...all have been adulterated). There are so many different philosophies and religions one could follow,it gets hard to decide. Kind of like choosing a toothpaste or a cereal,...so many choices,all claiming to be the best!)

Though I have chosen my beliefs after lots of trial and error,none of us can know with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY,any of it in this life. I'm glad I believe the way I do,because it makes this life bearable and offers me meaning and hope in a world that feels on the verge of implosion.

It's true that the more we know,the more we know we don't know! That's when faith comes in. My faith tells me that I don't know,but I trust that there is a God who does.

Just wanted to add my $0.02 !


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 06:58 PM by On the Edge
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I apologize. I guess I didn't grasp the meaning of what you were trying to say. My point was just that,at this stage of the game,we are all "imperfect beings" and until all is said and done,I don't think we can have all the answers!

I won't say any more than that! I'm sorry if I missed your point! ( I believe God is all-knowing,all-powerful,but still allows free choice. He's also very patient!)


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 02:11 PM by Avenginggecko
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Actually, you're making the false assumption that omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusive, when in reference to the Christian god of the Bible, they are not.

If God is the creator and the book of Genesis is correct, then his omnipotence and omniscience go hand in hand. A god that is actively able to create cannot be omniscient without being omnipotent, because if he were omniscient he would know how to become omnipotent, and if he were omnipotent he could make himself omniscient.

Think about it for a moment. You're still using human terms to try and understand the god of the Bible.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.


Does that sound like a deity that doesn't know the flow of time?



reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 06:42 PM by Avenginggecko
Originally posted by Mr No One
Then why the progression from vengeful/jealous god to loving/caring god?

If, as you say, omnipotence and omniscience MUST coincide, wouldn't he just have started as loving/caring since he would end up there anyway?

Also, the texts of the bible are NOT written by god, they are written by man. And thus fundamentally flawed. Perhaps we humans called god the be all and end all because we couldn't understand anything else for him to be.

It would appear that you have a difficulty in accepting new ideas.......

For sake of your peace of mind, I will concede that your god is BOTH omnipotent and omniscient


I think you need to re-read my posts. I'm arguing that the God of the Bible as literally interpreted can not be omnipotent or omniscient. I'm pointing out to you the logical fallacy of the God of the Bible and I believe I even specifically stated that

I think the more likely theory of Christianity and Evolution is that we evolved naturally on this planet and that there is a creator, but we can only interpret it through our very skewed, very animal minds. And that's how we get things like the Bible


I don't believe I have trouble accepting new ideas. I haven't had to alter my argument to fit the premise, whereas you have had to continually reshape your argument to make room for god in flawed logic.

If, as you say, omnipotence and omniscience MUST coincide, wouldn't he just have started as loving/caring since he would end up there anyway?


And now you begin to grasp the conundrum that is the Christian god.

Also, the texts of the bible are NOT written by god, they are written by man. And thus fundamentally flawed. Perhaps we humans called god the be all and end all because we couldn't understand anything else for him to be


Exactly. I'm glad you've been able to accept my argument, finally.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 07:34 PM by Avenginggecko
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Sigh. You're still missing the point. I'm just going to suggest you reread what I've written and think about it for a bit.
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