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Topic started on 9-11-2009 @ 12:23 PM by Choronzon

Lisbon Treaty Passes, Europe Might Emerge As A New World Actor


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The much-awaited Lisbon Treaty is now finally in place. Any moment now, the EU will emerge from its pre-Lisbon cocoon and show itself as fully-fledged global actor.
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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 12:24 PM by Choronzon
[edit on 11/9/2009 by Choronzon]



reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 05:52 PM by Dermo
Originally posted by Choronzon
My post wasn't really about the treaty, but how TPTB are rehearsing dismantling the sovereignty of established nations, and how it is going to migrate to the states.


I agree with the process for the most part.. I think the world needs more development and unity than nationalism and wealth acquisition.. The creation of a multipolar world headed up by the US/EU in order to push democracy, capitalism, law, development and unity is my ideal near future.

I understand that there are several large issues that are unsavory and I disagree with these but the end result is noble IMO.. for the most part. It is the evolution of the civilization of our species.

And before anyone argues that these process are being done undemocratically.. that is wrong. The ideas and plans are being created by non elected individuals.. the agreements are being signed by our elected leaders whom we elected to to do these things. If these supranational entities need governance, democracy will be built in.. similar to the way the EU works.

Did you see recently that the US and EU signed supranational trade agreements recently that are somewhat similar to the regulatory treaties that were signed before the EEC came into fruition. The EEC is now the EU.. the EU is now in essence a new country. These agreements are supranational and are being regularly signed but rarely reported.

A common market is and partnership is slowly beginning between the EU and the US.. This is all moving extremely fast. Within 50 years, the worlds maps will be well outdated.

I look forward to seeing how it pans out.



reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 11:27 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by djon01





Europe will never be a world power because they don't have the balls to stand up to groups (or countries) that would do them harm.

Essentially, that is the bottom line, although I might have phrased it in a slightly less colorful way.


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 11:56 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by pepsi78





Funny you mention, Germany almost took over the world.

That, my friend, was a far different Germany than exists today.



reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 07:19 AM by Bunker or Bust
reply to post by djon01



This is disrespectful to the men and women of armed forces from many European nations currently actively fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not to mention historic events, oh I don’t know like WWII, Korea etc. Look up the Glorious Glosters and then come and talk about b#lls.
The British Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the list goes on and on.
It takes more than fist and might to be a man, maybe Europe has learnt a lesson after the days of empire? But don’t talk rubbish about the lack of courage or commitment from Europe, you have no idea.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 07:41 AM by detachedindividual
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With all due respect, the presence in Iraq and Afghanistan IS NOT and it HAS NEVER BEEN to DEFEND any European nation.

In WW1 & 2 Europe fought to defend ourselves against an aggressor, which is what a standing army is for.
An army should always be in place to DEFEND, not to attack a non-attacking nation.

While I have no doubt the people serving in Iraq and Afghanistan have their own beliefs regarding why they are there, and I do respect them for serving their country, it is entirely inaccurate to suggest that forces in either country are defending any nation. No nation attacked us, no nation attacked America, no nation even threatened to do so.

On the issue of the UE and Lisbon Treaty itself, I am reluctant to see globalism growing in scope and power. We have seen the damage this does to various nations, the economics created from it simply makes the wealth divide wider.

Regardless of the motivations, and whether you or I think that they are just reasons to progress to this stage, such progression creates immense opportunities for a select few to control a vast number of people.

The expansion of any governance is a danger, we need less leadership, fewer restrictions and controls. People do not need more instruction in how to live their lives as described by a panel of authority.

Having said that, all of these unions and agreements are a part of evolution, and they will fall when needs change. If we went into a global war tomorrow, various treaties and agreements would be torn to shreds.

So as long as no authority tries to tell me how I have to change my life to suit any of their unreasonable requirements, I couldn't care less what my nation signs up to.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 08:53 AM by Bunker or Bust
reply to post by detachedindividual



Also with due respect and consideration I did not state that they were fighting to defend a European nation. My post was over heated due to the macho Europe ain't got no minerals post; which was a childish and pointless the statement, must not feed the trolls I know.

I agree that expanding the European Union in this way is dangerous to be honest. Free trade and movement is one thing but law making and central powers is a whole different thing. I love the way Ireland voted no, bing bong wrong answer try again. That to me stinks, what was the point in the first vote then? Why was that one not accepted and Lisbon dropped?
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