One can only wonder what the Vaticans reaction would be to ET's if they refused to acknowledge the Christian god or just came out and plainly said, "Your God does not exist", "Your God is not our God" or "Our God is the real God".

I'd imagine the Vatican would not be as positive or welcoming as they currently are... And then I imagine lots of deaths in the names of Gods... just like always.

IRM

Interesting article. I think the impact on religion may be overstated however. The Church has had to cope with similar theological crises before as already mentioned. It has always found a way to adapt before and it may do so again.

Even if aliens did arrive and produced evidence that religion was all made up there will still be people who believe. Never underestimate people's ability to ignore facts that run counter to their own beliefs!

That said, I notice that the majority opinion on here seems to be that if Aliens did arrive they would be morally superior, scientific, maybe even atheist and would view religious earthlings as 'quaint' or 'primitive', having already come to a completely scientific understanding of how the universe works.

But is this view of aliens justified or are we atheists merely projecting our own hopes and beliefs onto them? After all, we 'know' religion is nonsense; aliens are more intelligent than us so therefore they too will believe it to be nonsense and more will be able to prove it, right?

Well actually this is simply falling into the trap of second guessing the culture, knowledge and motivations of a species who may be completely incomprehensible to us.

Aliens could quite easily have a religious belief system. They may even have beliefs as diverse and strange as humans. Furthermore what if they arrive and explain to us 'quaint' atheists that yes, actually, there is a God, there is an afterlife and Jesus really was the Messiah?

In all probability, when aliens arrive there would be no one on the planet, religious or otherwise, who wouldn't have to re-evaluate their beliefs and assumptions about the world. To assume otherwise is to be as ego/geocentric as those who burned Giordano Bruno at the stake.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by ufo reality


"Father Jose Funes, a Jesuit astronomer, director of the centuries-old Vatican Observatory and a driving force behind the conference, suggested in an interview last year that the possibility of "brother extraterrestrials" poses no problem for Catholic theology. "As a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God," Funes explained. "This does not conflict with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God."

And thus all problems with homosexuality were addressed and forgotten...

Oh wait... you mean you can only use that "Creative freedom of God" phrase when dealing with ET but not GAYJAY?

I applaud them for using this logic, however, it does appear it's being applied selectively here.

Are you implying that homosexuals are different creatures than heterosexuals? I always thought that they were humans, just that they were attracted to their own sex. An alien being is pretty far from a gay guy.

I see lots of you guys posting that the Vatican will be embarassed and proven wrong when disclosure comes.

I don't agree with that. Extra terrestrials do not discredit the life and teachings of Jesus. I see nowhere in the new testament that Earth is the only habitable world in the cosmos. Christianity is here to teach us to love and respect one another. While the creation story and the old testament are in the Christian bible, they are not Christian writings per se. I actually think the Vatican is being genuine when they say they're looking for life and that it's ok to accept this idea.

It's ok to bash religion if that's your thing, but let's stay on target here.

I think the time may be coming where disclosure will be inevitable and this meeting with the pope is just a get together of minds on how to handle the situation when ET does turn up or is announced.

i think ET has shown his hand and is waiting to see what cards we hold and the pope wants to cover all the bases so he has an answer that will suit all religions.

something is brewing.

Originally posted by ufo reality

One of the most significant parts of this article could be the Jesuit order being involved in ET disclosure, they have been the keepers of the secrets for centuries and this is a great stride in coming clear with what is not speculated in many circles but a given, a known.

"As a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God," Funes explained. "This does not conflict with our faith because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God."

From the quote given above it is apparent to me that they are no longer calling differing and interdimensional beings as ET or from elsewhere, but from right here on earth coexisting with humanity from a space that very soon will be fully opened and undeniable.

Hmmm, I think maybe the Vatican have their eyes on those little space kids

If the Vatican are willing to acnowledge the possible existence of ET life then you can god damn be sure that they are saying it for their own reasons and not for the betterment of the human race..... Just like NASA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love the Dracula 3000 movie.. I admit it was a bad movie but I think it has a important dialog in it.

The movie supposedly is set some time in the not so distant future and takes place on a spaceship transporting Dracula to planet Transylvania ( I admit super campy) BUT of course the vampires wake up in transit and part of the story is there is only one crew member running the space ship that even knows who god is and what religion is.

The female actor says " God who is god" LOL

I dunno just thought I would throw that out there.. Personally I think the Vatican knows way more then it is letting on. and all this business with ET and the Vatican is the Vatican just doing some PR so when disclosure does happen the Vatican can say they came clean to avoid the shear spite people will have when the US government discloses. People will go nutz when they find out. And they should too... Like that famous video of when they tear down the Saddam Hussien statue down in the gulf war. the US people should go and sink the USS George Bush aircraft carrier.

I dont know why exactly, but the Vatican pushing an agenda like this seriously creeps me out. I keep getting this feeling of extreme evil and impending doom. Now, keep in mind- I haven't seen V- I wasn't even interested in the first series of it. I cant explain this feeling, either, which makes it even WORSE.

In the last few months I have been doing alot of research and alot of thinking and this is what I believe happened and will happen.
The aliens created us with their advanced technology, they governed us for a while and instructed a few to make the piramids, as their temples and landing points, they sent a few prophets with the same basic story to different parts of the world to remind us that they existed since we thought that they where gods. They had a few fights and the main leader got mad because we where messing up and drowned most of the population. They left because this was bringing the too many issues and fights and some of them got too close to us and considered us family.
"Jesus" was the son of the main god and he didn't want his father to destroy us again because he felt that we where his children and that we deserved a chance. "Jesus" tells his dad that he is willing to come down to earth, suffer and die so that he doesnt kill us again.
I believe that they live thousands of years more than us and that they are able to fix the body very easily and return the "soul" or energy to it.

The churches especially the Catholic church, saw that this religion stuff was bringing them money and made a verry profitable bussiness out of it. During the last few months they have been tageting protestants and inviting them to the churches (I don't know where I saw this info). They are desperate because the people are "waking up" and no longer follow as blind sheep. If the disclosure comes, in order to keep their sheep, they have to come up with a disclosure of their own that benefits them and makes them look good.

Originally posted by JayinAR
I see this as an absolutely crucial step if there ever is to be an official "disclosure" of an alien presence engaging this planet.

Also, if I remember correctly, some of the "leaked" info coming out of the Secret UN Meetings last year was that religious leaders had been "ordered" to start preparing their followers for the possibility of life coming here from elsewhere.

In any event, yeah, this is the Catholic Church trying to make sure that if and when it happens, people don't flip their lid...

Conditioning.

Either that or this is just a stab by the Church to be the last Church standing if and when it happens... probably a combination of both.

Good thread S&F

You hit it right on the head, they are getting out in front to make sure they give the impression of control and know whats going on. If by some chance that we disclosed and didn't bother to have the religious entities prepping, then they will be caught flat footed and will be confused to what to say to their congregations and the whole at large. There was another one of these meetings done a few years, but this one has me thinking. As I've said before, when the MSM start to put out stories and shows and programs about aliens and their effect on human life, we are getting close to disclosure. I want everyone to truly think about that day, truly think about it. Because it will take your breath away, just like when you get something that you have been longing for. Can you imagine that December 10 Obama going out with the other nations and telling us that we are not alone and aliens do exists. If it's done in my lifetime, I will feel privileged. Something like this will change the way humanity looks at each other.

If 'God' made humans in 'his image', then to have made another creature 'in his image' would mean that at least one of them would be wrong.

The interesting thing would be if the aliens and human scientists got together and found out that 'God' actually did make us both in 'his image', millions of years ago, when we were both the same species, before one of us became Neanderthal man (and evolved to become the immortal Annunaki and left earth), and the other became a small-minded (but resourceful) mortal species whose only purpose became to challenge and eradicate the Neanderthals who refused immortality (the 'lower class' ones).

^_^

It would be funny if the aliens had exactly the same kind of 'pre-history' that we had (neanderthals vs. homo blahblah), how scared do you think they'd be to arrive on earth only to see humans and life everywhere. What if their popular history skipped the whole evolution on earth part and would simply tell them that they were taken to their planet by 'god' and saved from 'the great flood' and 'armageddon' because they were his 'chosen people' and that they named their planet 'Israel'.

Oh, oh yes, I did just say that, do with it what you will!

[edit on 11/11/2009 by nrky]

The philosophical problem for Catholicism and ETs isn't man as the center of creation, or evolution both of which they have long come to , more or less, modern understandings of.

The problem is Jesus as the Savior, if Mr. Spock or Yoda show up ... very evolved philosophically etc. the question of whether Aliens have souls and whether Jesus would save aliens. That is where it gets crazy and dicey for them