By the way I have been on hold for over 10 minutes now. It took my representative over 10 minutes to find the same info I was calling in about! I really would appericaite clear cut data.
This is more evidence this blown out of proportion and that there is no need for the swine flu vaccine!

Yes, and ask why Ukrain, France and Hungary have canned the Baxter and Glaxo vaccines and want to use thier own produced Jabs instead ?

Just heard from my wife, she works at a doctors office...

I noticed on the cdc website they said they changed the formula in august.

Looking forward to hearing your updates.

Ok I spoke with a supervisor and this is what he said paraphrased; keep in mind this conversation was 30 minutes long.

Unfounately since the page has changed he can't go back. They said they are contract agency so they have the web site and they go off that.
Labtory confirmed for flu are being shown on the web site only. There are only 672 lab confirmed deaths for any type of flu.
He told me the media just took the old numbers from the past data but that included pnuemonia and flu.
This really just looks like a ploy to get us to take the H1n1 vaccine. There may be minimal $20 fee for adminstrative fees to get the vaccine.
Statisticans do the web sites but they are doing it more for DRS and providers. The general public is not kept in mind when updating the web site.
He told me I need to trust the CDC reccomendations and get the H1N1 flu. He admitted that he can see where I thought this site was misleading and how it can be confusing. He siad we are not trying to hide anything just trying to give a clearer picture. The whole conversation was a little confusing because I could tell he was not sure.


[edit on 9-11-2009 by dreamseeker]

It really makes me angry that instead of making the info more straight forward they throw all this info at you. They change formulas, reporting and never show the H1n1 by itself!

The question I have is for the administrative leadership of the CDC.

You know the highly paid influential former Pharmaceutical industry and Insurance Industry moguls who rotate in and out of government service by virtue of political appointment...?

The question is:

What part of the scientific method is changing your data collection metrics in the middle of an "on-going" "pandemic".

First you change the meaning of the word pandemic (or at least you don't question the WHO's overarching recharacterization of what a 'pandemic' is)

Next you acquiesce to the WHO's verbiage intimating that 'emergency' practices must be put in place ASAP despite the lack of data regarding this particular type A influenza - which was only to be found in the dead tissues of an Inuit victim removed from her grave in the ice after the 1918 outbreak. You raised no questions.

Then you eliminate all roadblocks to the passage of testing and treatment options - roadblocks that existed with the singular purpose of protecting people from sloppy science and commercial exploitation.

Then you remove ALL liability for government and commercial actors in the establishment.

Then you begin a shameless PR campaign to both aggrandize the flu's impact and vilify dissent or questioners of the practice.

So what's up with that?

Now you change the metrics and measurement system and tweak reporting to further confuse analisys of what is happening.

Interesting way to follow the mandate of your offices, don't you think?



[edit on 9-11-2009 by Maxmars]

the language they use is hillarious ...

"*Laboratory confirmation includes any positive influenza test (rapid influenza tests, RT-PCR, DFA, IFA, or culture), whether or not typing was done."

Underline for emphasis

"Reports can be based on syndromic, admission or discharge data, or a combination of data elements that could include laboratory-confirmed and influenza-like illness hospitalizations."

Underline for emphasis

"**States report weekly to CDC either 1) laboratory-confirmed influenza hospitalizations and deaths or 2) pneumonia and influenza syndrome-based cases of hospitalization and death resulting from all types or subtypes of influenza. Although only the laboratory confirmed cases are included in this report, CDC continues to analyze data both from laboratory confirmed and syndromic hospitalizations and deaths."

note that this double asterisk refers to Influenza Laboratory-Tests.

Though their pediatric mortality rate seems to be divided between h1n1 and other subtypes

So they make sure parents are scared out of their mind about h1n1 and on top of that Scare people with numbers that are not necessarily related to h1n1