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I'm Leaving America

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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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That is what I'm doing alltogethernow, I'm glad you see that.
If I have my wine trade and the hypothetical woman of my dreams and a place in America and another place either in Europe or Australia then I would have almost everything. (And my woman will be in love of course and so naturally she will want to live in both my American house and my European and/or Australian house
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Only thing left would be that my original music become produced and then at some point become lucrative.
It seems too easy to put it like that. It's going to be a lot of work , but I want it to work and I want to contribute great music to the world at the same time.




posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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I'M SERIOUS!!!! CAN I HAV HIS UBER L33T SWORD OF HYPERBOLE +3????? I ASKED FIRST!!!!! Give us solid documentation that you have, like Elvis, left the building....... Otherwise? Stop being a filthy communist and begging for attention. It's....unbecoming.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 04:12 AM
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That's too funny, doom. lmao



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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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It's preposterous to insinuate that another is unbecoming while you have yourself been insinuating and making non sequiturs.
However since you live in Louisiana you have seen first hand the aftermath of Katrina that still remains and what the lovely government of the United States did to clean that up.
So if you do anything other than chew tobacco with your grandmother on the front porch then I suggest you make time to think about not making dumbass jokes about wanting my stuff.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 04:35 AM
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5 STARS 4 MEH, NO STARS 4 J00! I WINZ! Seriously. The best you can do is attacks against the state I live in? Are there really women "anywhere" who chew tobacco? Disgusting.

Also, I witnessed NOTHING firsthand to do with "Katrina" being as how I live 300 miles west of New Orleans on the border of Texas. But nice try! Now had you mentioned Hurricane Rita, (Trust me, you've never heard of it), you might have gotten a rise, but let's be realistic here. We've dealt with hurricanes here since before the United States existed. They are only big scary monsters to you CNN junkies.... lol.

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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 04:50 AM
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If I had a dime for every one of you "Pseudo Americans" who throw out the "That's it! I'm leaving!" statements either on the Internet or in person, I could afford to fly you nimrods off to whatever country you think you'd have it better in.

Here's a clue, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE. YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN. With every goofy post like this that you put up on the INTERWEBZ, and every statement you make like this in public, you are doing a disservice NOT ONLY to our Forefathers but to every poor, tragic grunt that has spent his last moments in a muddy foxhole in some filthy, Godforsaken country fighting for YOUR right to SAY dumb #! Like the man said in Jarhead. Speech IS NOT free. You pay for every dumb word that leaves your mouth. Hitch a ride out of here chief, no one's gonna miss you.

As for your original post? You couldn't pry me out of Louisiana at gunpoint. I've lived all over this nation and would never give this up for ANYTHING. (Extra points,..... New Orleans comprises at best a half a percent of the land area of Louisiana.....) Best food in the world? Check. Some of the most beautiful women in the world? Check. Friendliest people you could ever meet? Check. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8-0??? Double check. Where do YOU live Oh wise one?

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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 05:39 AM
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I hope you have fun finding a job in the wine industry. Know a little about do ya. I think most countries right now are in the same crapper we are in. And I feel the same as most do.

If you cannot take the heat, than get the hell out of my kitchen!

Can I ask your political leanings?



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 05:40 AM
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I'd guess his "political leanings" are something like "Surrender at the first gunshot". He'll do well in France.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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Hey friend! go and travel the world it will make you a greater person, but remember as many said - don't burn your bridges!

I went on my first world travel when I was about your age, sure the world was more different then - more safe, people friendlier, more easy to get jobs etc!

But don't let that stop ya! - plan your route wisely and stay away from dangerous places and you'll be fine!

The job situation for a backpacker is more difficult now because of the economical crises - So don't expect that finding jobs is going to be easy!

But I really like your ambition about learning the wine industry, I think this is a great idea of yours! - the experience and knowledge about different wine production in other parts of the world will be very useful for you when you return to your home-country with those skills - and work in American wine production and sales.

And I'm sure if you are devoted and honest about it, some wine-farm could take you in and teach you their ways in exchange for some labour both here in Europe and in Australia - and I'm recommending you to make plans for both since it would be very good for you to have experiences from different kinds of 'production methods' in different parts of the world when you finally in the end become a "wine expert" professional.

Always research before you go! - maybe you can even write to wine producers both in Europe and in Australia asking them about a "visit" and "education" before you go! - this way you won't be disappointed if you are standing at their gates and they won't let you in!

Always research before you go and have your papers in order all of the time! - this is the most important things when you are travelling.

I know there are some student exchange programs between European and American students with very good programs and Universities!

If you are very serious about your career in the wine industry I would suggest you to make your dream come through on the professional and educational level through some university programs, both in the U.S & Europe or Australia, regarding wine production & sale courses or special packages of education covering the wine industry.

I have a lady friend who did exactly this in the beginning of the 1990's - she went on a professional EU sponsored University program for the wine industry, and went for the practical training with wine producers in Europe, Australia and Napa Valley Wineries in California.

When they saw that she was serious and had the credentials from a University - there was no problems for them to take her in and give her work training with low salary - completely legal with all visas and papers clear! - they helped her with the authorities regarding all paperwork!

She's doing great now as a 'wine expert' and have her own "Wine Bodega & Shop" in Spain, and are doing a lot of import/export all over the world!

She told me last year that is was very very hard work & studies and it took her 8 years to build up the business, but now she is finally there and can enjoy the fruits of her hard labour!

Right now she's selling a lot of different Brands/houses of Spanish and French wine to the newly rich Chinese! - and they want a lot of wine because they have discovered with their new found wealth that it is sophisticated with wines - so the market is huge!

(I have a small investment in my friend's business - and are buying fine Spanish wines of her which I sell to some exclusive Restaurants & Hotels in Scandinavia)

So do me a favor and research about "wine producing/selling" education before you go!

If it would mean that you'll need to go 3-4 years on the University in the U.S and Europe/Australia to get there - it doesn't matter! It could be well worth it in the end for you - I promise! - because University training is a must & the magic entrance ticket to the International "Wine Industry World" - University education with skills is now needed for other jobs abroad as well, regardless.

(you'll unfortunately need to be a University trained professional with skills these days to get visa for work in other countries)

So please don't throw your life away! please fulfill your dreams about the wine industry - but please do it the wise way in a combination of a University program or other higher education specialised for just this purpose.

They are usually mixing theory with some practical work at the producers farms so it wont be as hard theoretical studies as pure theoretical University educations - these are usually more specialised programs for the wine industry!

Best regards!


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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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Good riddance. I am sure once you see what it is like to live in these other countries and compare freedoms, you'll beg to get back into.

Put your money where your mouth is and renounce your citizenship before you leave. So many people around the world have died trying to get here. Millions have died defending America and our uncommon freedoms and ideals. Millions have sacrificed tremendous amount to escape brutal govts to get here. So with all the people doing anything to get here, if you want to complain and leave. I say get the hell out.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 07:10 AM
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I plan on working in the wine industry...

What someone plans and what reality ends up being is often two different things when they're moving to another country. There are many people that had well paying jobs in their homelands that flip burgers in their new home. This happens even to teachers. I personally know two women who taught German in their home countries, but when they came to Germany, they were forbidden from teaching German in schools. Not to mention that, in the job race, the natives are almost always going to win out against the immigrant.

I may have missed it, but have you ever lived in another country; more specifically a European country, since you say that you want to come here? I ask because, many Americans have a romanticized view of how life in Europe is and how great it is, which isn't how it is. Many that come to Europe leave because of the culture shock, even though they thought it wouldn't bother them originally. (You'd be amazed, as an American, how much it can bother you that on Sunday you often can't go to the store and get something!)



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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In your original post, you asked for opinions from people that he left the US. I left over two years ago and live in The Philippines and telecommute. Of course without an existing skill and contracts this move would not have been possible. It is not easy to move to a foreign country and live. You will always be a foreigner. You will always be taken advantage of to some degree by the locals. My experiences have given me compassion for all of the LEGAL immigrants who made that trek to the USA.

I did not leave the USA for political reasons, I love my country and for what it stands. The problem with America is not the Government. After all, the US government is of the people, by the people, for the people.

The problem with America is the largely caused by the American people. Due to the sacrifices by the VETS, people in America have not lived a life of occupation or struggled nearly a fraction of those in "the third world". Don't blame the immigrants for owning all of the former Mom and Pop businesses. They bought those businesses from people whose children did not want to follow their parents and work hard for an honest living. Those immigrants are living the "American Dream", while Natural born Americans don't even dream.

I left America because I wanted to raise my children how I see fit. I wanted to work at home and be an active parent. That is my dream and I am living it every day. I am 44 years old and about as happy as I have ever been in my life right now. I have a successful business, wonderful wife, two beautiful children, white sands and cheap rum & smokes! What more could a guy ask for?

As one poster commented, when he traveled out of the states he found out that it wasn't America that is bad, It is the attitude of Americans. That observation is so true.

Just a few observations on my part....

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
As a citizen of this country I feel it is my duty to leave here with a respect for the nation that raised me and with a sense of peace.


You seem like an idealistic individual. You say you are not old, but you are not young. Age has little bearing on wisdom. Life experiences contribute to wisdom more than anything.

Before I left the states, I traveled to 46 states, 5 provinces in Canada and 4 states in Mexico. Only then did I get my passport and go abroad. You say you have been to Colorado and California. Believe me, you have not seen anything yet!


It will be a couple of years before I leave America, but when I do it will be to spend the majority of my life in Europe. I will have completed my degree in Romance Languages at the University of Georgia.


Let's be real here.... You are two years away from a liberal arts degree. You plan on going directly from college to Europe and starting a successful career in the wine industry and playing guitar with Europeans. Why not instead save up some money, take a vacation to Europe and find out what you are getting into. Don't go off half-cocked, end up destitute and going to your local US embassy or consulate and asking for one way ticket to ATL



As a guitar player , singer, songwriter, I long for the days when I travel through Europe playing and singing with other musicians.


Take a trip to Nashville and jam for awhile. You will meet people of all cultures and musical influences there. I even hear that there is an "open mic" night at a Chick Fila fast food restaurant in Nashville!

I am not trying to burst your bubble or attack you. By all means travel the world and experience what life has to offer - but do it for the right reasons and be realistic.

Join the Peace Corps and go to a country where you can make a difference helping the people with basic needs or maybe teaching them how to play guitar. After your trip you will realize how much you did not know then (meaning now). You will look at your post in a few years and laugh, I'm sure.

Good Luck to You!



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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I am a Brit but have travelled and worked throughout Africa. I have friends who have chosen to live there. I wouldn't live where they live, because for me, the negatives would outweigh the positives. But we are all different and thrive better in different environments. I would just say do your travelling and then decide. Every country has it's downside, the grass is always greener etc etc... But the fact that so many people struggle to get into the States (and yes even the UK!) should tell you that there are many worse places...


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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 08:48 AM
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My views:

When your youngish, you wake up somewhere in your 20s and notice that America is alot of hype over reality...makes you get disenchanted with the whole country/system and makes you consider just jumping ship.

A solution to this is to get out of the tunnelvision. As recommended, take some time out of your life and just travel. I highly recommend this as a life experience. Spend a year...hell, spend 2-3 years just travelling around. See Europe, east and west...then keep moving. Check out asia, go to Africa, Australia, then come back to the Americas, coming in from the south america area and moving up. Spend enough time when you stop to really get a feel for each place...may take a couple months (stay in hostals, find local temp work to fuel things).

Try to experience both the "slumming it" and the "elegant touristy" bits of the places you go...

Then once your back in the US, you will have a very balanced and fair view of where this country, and more importantly, you stand in this world. Even if you never planned on leaving I highly recommend spending time in your life travelling around and learning about the world your in people to people verses just some book or blog. You will grow soo much mentally from just a year or two of exploration and travel.

The grass is actually greener in some areas of the world. America has diversity, which is good...but like anything diverse, they don't do any one thing really good...they just have alot of choices. The walmart of concepts.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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The points you are making are valid, though most countries suffer injustices and traumas and many have inflicted them. When I was young France, Italy and Spain pulled me, and later on would have wished to see Norway, Finland, and China.

I think finding high ground, in a secure and solid teutonic plate is probably the wisest if you can manifest the move.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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I wouldn't want to be in Europe when the melting glaciers come down, which is any minute now. Don't you listen to Al Gore?



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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I Will Be Here , This is my HOME!!!!!!

"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men." -Samuel Adams”


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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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I've opted to stay here, but drop out of the system.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by dragonsmusic
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I don't understand what I'm supposed to ask the vets.
And I was never making any race related point about slavery.
Just that America being founded on it along with several other atrocities was not a very good begining.


I'm not sure of any nation that was developed without some type of oppostion having to take place. The thing you may forget is that our founding fathers had to battle opposition from Europe in order to establish the Land of The Free; they fought for years to establish American freedom, many of them living thru winters without shoes on their feet, and practically nothing to eat. And this is the thanks you show them. Well don't let the door hit ya!




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