I'm Leaving America

reply to post by reasonable


You don't have to give me a taste, man. I've been dealing with that sort of stuff for a while now. Didn't you see?

reply to post by Justaposter


I'm not seeking valildation.
If you think that's what I've been doing this whole time then just stop trying to give me advice because you don't see where I'm coming from.
I've expressed a desire to change my surroundings and I have been responding to people who are both supportive and to others who want only to bring me down and keep me in a little box so they can feel safe.

In what way do you consider the country to be "shattered"?

I think shaken is a better word. Western Europe has it's share of problems too but I would agree with you that it is probably a more pleasant place to live if you are ok with the trade off of higher taxes for health care and higher education.

If the guy wants to move I don't see what you guys hold against him.
It's not the first country on the planet where some guy comes and says "this is crap I want to move to some other country" and that is why people EMIGRATE!!

Do you guys have anything against emigration?
People emigrate on varios principles:
Economic, etical, family related.

Why do you guys want to bash anyone trying to move out of United States.
It's 2009, people are connected more than ever to information, they want to expiriance something new, meet new people. We only have one life to live.To die for a country is not worth it, one must find something to live for.
How stupid is it to die for a guy on tv that preaches and sends people to war while making money, it's that stupid.

It's like United States feeds you and takes care of you, wrong, your family and close ones feed you and takes care of you, not your country.
Your country does not give a jack about you.

I would only risk my life and make an effort for my friends and my family, the rest is not worth it. The dies hard fans in this case are people who in general have nothing to do with freedom, they are people that like to impose their will on others. They get a kick out of making others do as they say because hey"it's the right way to go" I know better bla bla bla, support our troops, take it like the rest of us bla bla bla.

Any individual is free to do as it will please, because any individual should be free. A smart message would be fair well, hope you revisit and stuff, don't forget us..come back some time around.

Hats off to standing up for yourself!
You've handled yourself well.
I wish I had half your patience.

Of all the - knee jerk dont let the door hit ya type - responses,
I don't recall anyone asking you why you feel this way and
what could we do to help. Sure you wont miss it here?

Maybe it's just jealousy of the many things you represent.
Freedom, compassion, youth, excitement, etc.
The chance of a fresh start.

Whatever the reason is, it seems like good ol jealousy to me.
We expect you to stay here and be all nationalistic and
brainwashed like the rest of us! Please stay!

That way we won't say much while we're being taken to the cleaners.

Edit: Well said Pepsi!

[edit on 9-11-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by Siddharta
Rock Music is very good, but usually the British are better than the Americans.

I knew I was right in adding you as a friend some time ago!

Hey Dragon, why do you respond to the haters? why are you responding to anyone? more to the point, why would you post such flamebait? If you want travel tips watch some Rick Steves vidoes, if you have gotten the degrees' stated in the OP, you prob know enough to get around in southern Europe. good for you. have a nice trip while you can, because after a few months of being poor, broke and tired something really bad will happen and you will find out what it feels like to be a stranger in a strange land. btw, it won't matter if you can speak the language, you would have a better chance of gaining some sympathy if you couldn't. At least then you you would be a poor, ignorant American. Not name calling, ignorant as in unaware

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

I'm not trading one problem for another. Why do you and so many others feel the need to play Freud? I want a new horizon
I am going to have that.
The lack of comprehension regarding that very simple point is mindblowing to me.

I'm not playing Freud (although I'm not even sure how Freud fits here, unless you meant to say 'Devil's Advocate') I meant what I said literally. I was not trying to project something on you.

In your first/original post you mentioned the shortcomings of America. I felt the need to point out that Europe also has many shortcomings. Most of the countries there are also founded on violence and injustice. Seeing as Europe is as guilty as the U.S. (and in some cases even more so), I find it interesting that (based on your disillusionment with America) you choose to spend your life there.

Had you said "I want to spend my life in Europe studying the arts and getting to know different cultures", my response to you would have been "Awesome! Go for it!" Since you chose to start by saying negative things about the U.S. and then praising Europe, I just had to jump in and remind you that Europe isn't some Utopia, the way a few Americans longing for some romantic vision of the world like to believe. Since I was born in Europe, lived there, now live in the U.S. and visit Europe often, I figured I was a good candidate to voice my opinion on the subject.

Next time you want a purely positive response you'll have to start with a positive post. If you start with negative remarks about a country, you should expect to receive backlash from it's citizens.

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by asmall89

 

Why don't you send me your plan on what you personally would do to fix this country?
You and everyone else suggesting that wanting to live in Europe somehow equates into my being a cause of the problem.

I have my own ideas, and I express them typically in the way I vote, write papers, talking to friends, supporting certain grassroots movements etc. That's basically all one can do right now isn't it? Contribute to a cause. I don't imagine it's different anywhere else in the world.

I mean if you want to travel and live in different countries then thats fine, I totally understand and respect that. But your not going to find it any different in most countries, worse in many in fact. If your a socialist or communist I could understand you wanting to go to Europe, that works with what you believe. If you love this country though and what it was based on, then you should do what you can to change it. Joining sites like this is a great step.

I wanted to run away to Canada when I was young, because I felt there would be more freedom there I would get away from this place but as I've grown up I've realize that America was once a very free nation (of course not to the slaves ) but it is with every intent as a citizen to try to keep it as free as possible. If you want to live like a Gypsy on the road with no rules, then more power to you, that idea is very romantic and have longed for it myself at times too.

I'm right behind you, brother.

After hearing about these so-called straight edge kids who go around carving people up just for smoking a cigarette, I'm thinking maybe the netherlands.

Holland has beautiful women...

I don't know if you've been abroad yet. But let me spare you some sobering reality if you haven't been there..... Europe is just like America but with only more taxes and higher fuel costs.

Oh, and if you claim bankruptcy over there they take away your house, cloths, and car. In the USA you're just looking at 7 years bad credit.

I've been all over the world and for all it's faults (which have exponentially increased thanks to the Bush presidency) it is still the best place on earth to live.

Get off your lazy ass and Fight! Don't run.

Fighting can manifest on many different levels. It can be telling the white collar opportunist that he's wrong about the wars in the Middle East even if you two are standing in the middle of a Starbucks Coffee house line.... Fight! It can be pointing out the 911 lies to the high school janitor while you're waiting for your sons or daughters at the end of their class....Fight! It could be the refusal to buy Crest toothpaste because of the fluoride. It could the refusal to buy any products that contain Nutrasweet for the fact that it causes cancer and makes that criminal Rumsfeld fatter...Fight! It could be a bumper sticker that that says Fu@& War...Fight! It could be a call to your local district representative because some douche bag wants to put a micro chip on your vehicle inspection sticker....Fight!

I went through the same phase that you are going through years ago too and wanted to leave until one day I woke up and said who the hell am I running from?

Everyone who came to this country was running from something...

Stop running and Fight!

Cheney, Bush, Stalin, Hitler, Sharon, Franco, (insert name of villian here), and the bully standing on the street corner can all kiss my ass.

Stand up and show them yours brother. America ain't dead yet my friend.





[edit on 10-11-2009 by 3DPrisoner]

OP, why not just take your land and secede to form your own nation? Under our current conditions in the States, our founders fathers would probably want to secede as well. While it sounds ridiculous, its worth a shot, and there's really no reason why you can't. People will laugh at your or call you a terrorist, basically just use labels, but know that you are operating at a higher level.

One good thing about America is you can leave if you want and can come back anytime. So, on the way out, don't let the old flag slap ya where the good lord cracked ya.

It is a good thing to test your faith in what you believe. You may be right, and then again, maybe not. But this is America, and you don't have to burn a bridge to find out. If you can afford the luxury of pulling up stakes and testing other waters, you should do it.

We are all Bozo's on the bus, and It is a good bet you will be back.

I have been wanting to leave America too. I am a Jazz/Classical musician and know that my music would be much more appreciated somewhere else.

It is strange how Jazz was originated in America, but it is more appreciated in the EU countries.

Silly world we live in.

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.........lonewolf

Originally posted by BlesUTP
you are leaving one of the only countries in the world where you can arm yourself.

Are... you... .....Kidding me?

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Originally posted by centurion1211
Not so far away if you look at the population projections I've seen. Muslim majorities in some major european countries within 50 years. And with the european track record of appeasment in the face of dictators, I'd you you maybe don't even have that long.

So you must be talking about another Europe. In the Europe were I live, population is estimated to be about 700 Mio. people, Muslims are estimated to be somewhere between 35 Mio. and 53 Mio. - this would be less than 8%, even if we take the higher estimation.
Most of them - about 25 Mio. - live in the "little country" Russia. And they have been around there for a long time already.
Second is the European part of Turkey (5.9 Mio,) - But they also have been there for a while.

France has about 5.5 Mio, we here in Germany have about 4 Mio., the UK has about 1.5 Mio. and Italy 1 Mio. Muslims.

No "majority of Muslims in major European countries" so far.

And indeed I could not say a lot about differences between Nevada and Arkansas. But I also would not write anything about "America" in a forum, because I remember about some speculations, but don't want to bother with all those names of those different states.

So Europe is not in hands of the Muslims yet.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by Siddharta]

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by Alien Mind

 

Wrong like most of the other rude people. My point was that a nation founded on slavery is on a weak foundation.
Don't you read?

Uh, exactly which other nation or nations can you name that don't have some sort of slavery in their past - either owning slaves out right, or participating in the slave trade?

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Aus is a great place mate. We have the luxury of being as far away as is humanly possible from all the crap going down in this world. A move to Australia would be the best move you ever make.

IRM

Only problem is it is a real pain for those who enjoy travelling. This guy seems like the travelling type, so Australia might not be geographically the best place. Europe is great geographically because it is easy and quick to go from place to place. Australia is great, but if you enjoy constant travelling then it is probably not a good place to live. Just have a look at a world map to see what I mean...

To the OP who is leaving America, I would say that is a good move. You will probably only notice and miss the many advantages you take for granted in your country when you no longer have them. If not and you find you are truly happy living in your new country then all the best to you.

In life, it is very easy to find what's wrong and what you don't have. But it is only when we lose what is right and what we do have that we realise how important these things really are...

[edit on 10/11/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
This country is shattered. It started upon its conception and the cracks have been growing throughout America's windshield like cobwebs in every direction.
It is a country which claimed to be founded on freedom, but it stomped out the essence of freedom when it enslaved the black man, slaughtered the red man, and kept the white woman at home, both jobless and without voting powers.
So America was doomed from the start with such a foundation.
As a citizen of this country I feel it is my duty to leave here with a respect for the nation that raised me and with a sense of peace.
It will be a couple of years before I leave America, but when I do it will be to spend the majority of my life in Europe. I will have completed my degree in Romance Languages at the University of Georgia.
As a guitar player , singer, songwriter, I long for the days when I travel through Europe playing and singing with other musicians.
I will be among the few American songwriters to travel to the regions of Spain and France where the music of the Gypsy Kings was inspired(and actually originates) and to actually jam with the musicians of the areas.
In the meantime I wonder what culturally minded ATSers feel with respect to America.
Are there other Americans like me who love this place but cannot stand to see what has become of it and are getting ready to leave? Or have already left?
Are the Europeans even interested in America, I mean in more than McDonald's and rock music? What does America offer Europe or the rest of the world these days? (though I do like McDonald's and rock music)
What countries do you Americans want to visit or even live in one day?
Where do you people of the ATS want to go , if you could go anywhere tomorrow? Where do you dream of spending your lives if it is not where you are now?

Well, find a better one. Then when your country comes under terrorist attack, or any type of disaster, you know who to look towards for help.