I need help being a whistle blower, to make sure I get results

you say your not afraid to go up against wal mart even. but you won't name the company? ATS is anonymous (sp), so spill the beans ALL of them. i call BS. sorry.

Originally posted by CASH69
This is no real news to me,or many for that fact. Does anyone actually think China treats people with any respect? LOL! A few years ago,i had purchased a dinner plate set from Wal Mart,and when we got the set home,we opened the box only to find small children s hand prints all over the set. I'm going to have to say prints of a child of at least no older than 5 or 6 years old. It made me sick. All you have to do is finger print merchandise that was sealed in the new boxes,and i am sure you will find the same thing. The proof is there i assure you.

I am very aware of this issue, and that they have been trying to get the message out any way they can that we're all being lied to.

We also need to do something about this. Whether it be one company that is targeted/and or the whole thing. Those children are my children. I am each of them, they are me, for we are one soul, each vibrating at our own unique signature. Unity. And NOT the nwo variety.

Thank you to the OP for shining light upon this matter. It needs to keep shining and not go away.

Originally posted by noconsequence

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

Continually answering negative comments is not necessary in a thread. I personally think she should focus on the ones coming up with ideas and ignore the amazingly negative energy hits I've been getting from reading these posts. Thats how I would handle it if this was my thread.

Exactly.. The thread is about effecting the well-being of a child.. It is not about avoiding the effort to effect. These people are off topic and rudely interrupting.. On topic is how can she quickly perfect her, "whistle-blowing", and ideally enhance the well-being of the child in a timely manner..

No consequencE..

Thank you.



[edit on 10-11-2009 by noconsequence]

You both need to reread my posts.

I was merely pointing out the FACT that her purchase is the REASON that children are being abused like this in the first place. Is it a negative attack? Nope, it's simply an observation. An observation that the OP -asked- me to clarify.

Get off of your high horses.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


Ok-Good. I accept it for value.. Thank you. I am sure that she dreams of being out there kickking kids teeth in for not, "performing well enough"? Cool.

Enigma Publius; You should not expose the company and information that could give the little girls identity away to the wrong individuals; because she could effectively be silenced before she gets help.. Any thing giving her identity away before she can be, "secured" would not be wise. Big enough exposition in a timely manner through the right medium could prevent harm.



No consequencE..

Thank you.



[edit on 10-11-2009 by noconsequence]

reply to post by HankMcCoy


I agree with you on that. We need to rethink our commercialism and purchases. Find ways to sidestep this mechanism, and write to leaders and companies as to why we're going to be crafting next xmas, or finding intelligent locally made birthday gifts for our children.

So I apologize, and thank you for bringing this up.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Oh and the source you cite would be Dr. Fred C. Schwarz? of the Christian Anti Communist Crusade? There's an unbiased source. Can we return to the OP, please. You can indulge the radical right somewhere's else.

You again?... Even Communists, and true Socialists state this...but of course, some Canadian that doesn't know what is happening elsewhere in the world and thinks that because his own country has some Socialist programs that he knows what Socialism is about...

Even wikipedia points this out, are you going to tell us wikipedia is a right wing source?....

And you know what?...most, if not all leftwing sources don't like to point out the truth of those programs they embrace in their ignorance... Leftwing sources for the most part do not make interviews of people who have EXPERIENCED "scientific Socialism"/Communism...and people like you who have no idea, nor experience in this always like to claim that those who have experienced true Socialism(scientific Socialism)/Communism are lying, when the fact of the matter is that people like you don't want to admit your IGNORANCE on this subject.

Vladimir Lenin, drawing on Karl Marxs ideas of lower and upper stages of socialism (10) defined socialism as a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.(11)

en.wikipedia.org...

But keep indulging yourself on the radical LEFt all you want meanwhile dismissing, or ignoring the facts....

This girl is CHINESE, and China, in case you didn't know is a Communist state, but they define themselves as Socialists, like all Communists do...

The reason this girl is in this problem is because of SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM....

[edit on 10-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Sorry I'm replying without having read the entire thread.
It's good to see that people care.
Westerners are, by and large, far removed from the real atrocities that happen in other lands. As sad as the little girl's
situation is, she probably has a better life than many children in North Korea or Africa.

About 5 years ago, an investigative journalist friend of mine exposed me to some of the things done to children in
North Korea. It ripped my heart out. I've been through a lot. I'm a tough s.o.b., but this was a new level of sadness that I can't even explain. I was depressed for days. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man is shocking.
Where's the rest of the world? Where's the U.N.?

Originally posted by lw2525
.................
Westerners are, by and large, far removed from the real atrocities that happen in other lands. As sad as the little girl's
situation is, she probably has a better life than many children in North Korea or Africa.

Yes, most westerners, and more so those who are in the left sorry to say, are detached from reality and what happens in the world, and in nations like China, Cuba, North Korea, etc.

People who have had for the most part an easy life, or have been able to make their own life because they have a CHOICE and attach themselves to Socialist ideals, do not want to accept that their ideals when put in practice only cause suffering, and death.

You can even see the responses of leftwing members in these same boards who claim that FORCED LABOR, which is what Mandatory Community Service is, is alright in their minds, because they THINK it is for the good of all...

These people are so dellusional, and detached from reality that they are willing to give up EVERYONE'S right to CHOOSE, just so their (fairy tales) ideals can be implemented.

But when you take away individual freedom, and the right to choose for every INDIVIDUAL, you are in fact implementing a dictatorship. But many leftwingers can't see this, and don't want to accept it.

Originally posted by lw2525
About 5 years ago, an investigative journalist friend of mine exposed me to some of the things done to children in
North Korea. It ripped my heart out. I've been through a lot. I'm a tough s.o.b., but this was a new level of sadness that I can't even explain. I was depressed for days. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man is shocking.
Where's the rest of the world? Where's the U.N.?

Many officials of countries in the UN are dictators, and most of the others have Socialistic ideals, hence they don't really care what happens in these countries, because the root of the problem is Socialism/Communism.

The same thing can be said of most leftwingers around the world. Instead of puting the blame on the root of the causes of suffering, they instead decide to hate, and blame countries like the U.S., which have NOTHING to do with what happens in countries like China, Cuba, North Korea, etc.

Some years back I posted an article about Czech supermodel Helena Houdova who visited Cuba, and was arrested for taking photographs of children in slums, as well as some "regular" hospitals in Cuba.

She was arrested and charged for trying to work against the revolution in Cuba, she, and another Czech friend were held for 11 hours, and were forced to sign a letter vowing not to commit "counterrevolutionary" acts.

Her roll of film from the camera was confiscated, but she had hid the memory card on her bra.
She was able to smuggle the memory card out of Cuba, and showed the photos in an exhibit to expose some of the things that really happen in Cuba.
www.encyclopedia.com...

But even with this sort of evidence, most leftwingers still dismiss, or want to ignore what is the root of the problems in countries like Cuba, China, North Korea, etc.

This Chinese girl who supposedly put a picture of her in a toy is in the same case as Cuban children who are FORCED to work for the STATE for 45 days every summer to harvest vegetables, sugar, tobacco, etc. I have seen these places, and I remember well what happened to my older sisters every time they were forced to go do "Mndatory Community Service for the good of all"....

The fact of the matter is that much of the bad conditions so many children in the world are subjected to are to blame on Socialism/Communism.

Much of man't inhumaniy towards fellow man comes from ignorance, and from a sense of "superiority" that many people have thinking their ideals should be imposed on others "for the good of all."

When people stop trying to impose their ideals, no matter how good it sounds in their minds, or on paper, only then much of the suffering that happens in the world would stop.

But you, and I, and some others know very well none of this, and no matter what we show is not going to stop certain people from wanting to impose their delluded ideals on others.

[edited for errors and to add comments]

[edit on 10-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Well, I have decided to pass the buck I think. I have been looking in a lot of places for legal rules and what have you, and I cannot hire a lawyer, so it is in my best interest to let someone else who is more influencial handle this.
I know this will displease some of you, and it does me as well, but I have to look out for my family first, and this little girl second, and given that we cannot be 100% sure on this, I cannot risk everything on a probablility.
I have come to this conclusion after hours of thinking and thinking.

The person I am passing it to is an ATS member, so maybe you will still get to see the conclusion. I HAVE NOT DONE IT YET, but please don't try to talk me out of it, or get me to expose the company name. I have even gotten u2u's from folks saying "well you can tell me!" and so on...and I just cannot. I can't. I won't.

So this should be proof to those folks who said I wanted media time or whatever, I never wanted that, I just wanted to do something right. I still do, and as crappy as it may sound, my heart is telling me to let someone else hold this hand-grenade.

Just to many uncertainties.
Thank you to everyone who helped, be rest assured that I will still send copies of my work and photots to one of those orginizationos...probably UNICEF, but I am doing so annominously.
This is the course of action I must take to make sure nothing negative comes back to me and my son. Some hateful members on here have already showed me how cruel some folks are, and how quick to blame me or him they would be, so I am giving this off to someone bigger than me.
I will still try to answer questions if you have them, but in effect, this thread should be mostly done with.
publius

Originally posted by loam
Another example of your cultural bias.

You are aware that in China many factories actually provide daycare facilities? So in a sense, everyday is 'take your child to the factory day'.

Under communism, nearly all urban females who wanted work found employment in state-run factories, which offered free schools and day care.

Link.

No Loam the cultural bias comes from people like you..

China is a Communist state, just like in Cuba, daycare means puting the children to work alongside with the mother/father...

Just because they claim there is "daycare", it doesn't mean they have it like in some western countries.

Just like it is claimed that in Communist countries EVERYONE has good healthcare and free education, when the truth is far from that....

But it seems obvious that people like you instead want to believe the fairy tales and lies told by the Communist Chinese authorities, as well as what happens in other countries.

So tell us, why do you trust the word of a Communist government over the word of REGULAR PEOPLE who actually EXPERIENCE THE TRUTH?...

Oh, by the way, this is totally side tracking from what the OP posted but if you really think Child Labor is ****** up, then let me lay another one on you.

This is speaking from personal experience. The last time I went back to my hometown in Tianjin, I saw a lot of children on the street begging for money. This is nothing new, as vagabonds and beggers are all over the streets. However, shockingly enough, some of these children that are begging for money are crippled. So I thought it was really sad and every time I see one sitting in the middle of the street with a broken arm or leg, I stop and give them whatever I can afford out of my pocket in RMB. It's not much, probably a few US dollars equivalent of RMB but I do what I can for the elderly and children.

The shocking thing I found out from my friends living over there is crazy. I mean, not only my friends told me about this but my relatives living over there also know this. Basically, what happened was some really evil people would travel to certain rural parts of China, go into certain villages and steal young children. After they take them out of that village, they bring them to the cities and here comes the messed up part, they break their legs and limbs. They control them through fear of death, then put them on the street to beg for money. At the end of the day, the mother f'ers comes to collect the money from the children.

Child labor is nothing compared to this in my opinion. I've also read on the news that some lady got drugged, I'm not sure if it was in China or Hong Kong or Taiwan can't recall, but a woman was injected with drugs on the street and she fainted. She woke up later on confused and disoriented, found herself in a room on a huge block of ice, naked and extremely weak. There is a cell phone next to her but no one in the room, and she called the police. The police told her to stay put, do not move as her life is in danger. Apparently, black market organ sales is getting more popular and she was not the first victim to suffer this. Talk about f'ed up, you think you would only see this in a movie right?

Like I mentioned in the previous post, the world isn't a nice place to be in. Things like this happen not only in China, but all over the world. Until you've seen it with your own eyes, you would not believe it. I do a lot of traveling due to business, and I've seen some real sick s*** through my brief 25 years of life.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Oh and the source you cite would be Dr. Fred C. Schwarz? of the Christian Anti Communist Crusade? There's an unbiased source. Can we return to the OP, please. You can indulge the radical right somewhere's else.

You again?...

I've never done that before...it feels good

Even Communists, and true Socialists state this...but of course, some Canadian that doesn't know what is happening elsewhere in the world and thinks that because his own country has some Socialist programs that he knows what Socialism is about...

Simply defining your source...by all appearances a far right wing fundamentalist Christian. Excuse me for saying...but there might be a slight bias in his assessment of the world at large. I don't mind you sharing his philosophy, I'm merely illuminating the source of his worldview.

Even wikipedia points this out, are you going to tell us wikipedia is a right wing source?....

Wiki is a fine scratchpad of reference...but it is a product of the last individual to provide an entry. It is the beginning of a search...not the end.

Leftwing sources for the most part do not make interviews of people who have EXPERIENCED "scientific Socialism"/Communism...and people like you who have no idea, nor experience in this always like to claim that those who have experienced true Socialism(scientific Socialism)/Communism are lying, when the fact of the matter is that people like you don't want to admit your IGNORANCE on this subject.

My people are East German...they escaped...I have been to Cuba more than once...I get around...don't presume that if I disagree with you, it is out of ignorance.
Bottom line? Communism doesn't equate Socialism...nor is there a slippery slope. Check outside of your peers and get some balance, if you care to get a well-rounded education on the subject. You want to stick with people who agree with you...have fun. Bring snax.

Two points: China has no exclusivity on police states...indeed they are not only a Communist proclivity.

Secondly, it is Wall Street that is driving the manufacturing sector and the attendant jobs to China. Talk to your rep...or you are merely part of the problem. (Yes...I talk to mine...the Socialist Hordes, or as we call them "Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition)

[edit on 10-11-2009 by JohnnyCanuck]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

No Loam the cultural bias comes from people like you..

China is a Communist state, just like in Cuba, daycare means puting the children to work alongside with the mother/father...

Just because they claim there is "daycare", it doesn't mean they have it like in some western countries.

Just like it is claimed that in Communist countries EVERYONE has good healthcare and free education, when the truth is far from that....

But it seems obvious that people like you instead want to believe the fairy tales and lies told by the Communist Chinese authorities, as well as what happens in other countries.

So tell us, why do you trust the word of a Communist government over the word of REGULAR PEOPLE who actually EXPERIENCE THE TRUTH?...

Mauddib:

It really is pathetic how you manufacture positions and ascribe them to people you don't like so you can bloviate about some political position neither in discussion, nor remotely alluded to, in order to appear on the better side of an argument.

It makes most of your posts meaningless, and the remainder, largely incomprehensible... It must be a very lonely place where you are.

I don't think anyone who knows my posting history is confused about my political opposition to collectivist ideology.

Moreover, given my thread history, I doubt anyone could accuse me of loving the Chinese government.

BUT, in the context of THIS thread, the on-topic point I was making was that a child could have been present in the factory and NOT been a worker.

Notwithstanding all of the documented evils that may be readily found in China, not *ALL* Chinese children are forced into child labor.

Not a single reputable, international organization makes such a claim.

Is it possible that a child who was a worker in the factory that made this toy made the drawing? Certainly, but not necessarily.

Consequently, I mentioned cultural bias, because it was cultural bias that precluded many participants in this thread from considering other more likely (subject to debate) possibilities.

I'd ask if you understood more clearly my position, but I know that would be pointless, as you are certain to retort with more of your usual manufactured, meaningless tripe that has no connection to what I have written.

Oh, and welcome back again from your banishment.





[edit on 10-11-2009 by loam]

reply to post by Enigma Publius


If you really want to save that child,
Don't contact Anyone until you think VERY Clearly about each and every ramification, that can compound and intensify Her situation by inadvertently feeding the "Monster".

Be so very careful whom you choose to tell, that is in a position of authority.

First, Search, research, and more research. Ask for help, only from those you would trust with the girl's life and your son's life.
Find all the who, how, what, when and where, to the best of your abilities, before you seek any form of Gov’t, or legal assistance. So many can not be trusted.

If you really want to save that child, and probably other children.
You can't ever stop trying to protect her. Just like you would do for your son. Go forward with the conviction of what is in your heart.
You have to be in for the long haul. Not just handing her off to strangers. She is Asking You for help.
You always have to be there for her now.
Whether it be fate, destiny, coincidence or by accident doesn't really make any difference.
You have been chosen. Step up




[edit on 10-11-2009 by azureskys]

Originally posted by Unity_99
Seeing the number of people on this thread, when its very clearly a distress call, a beacon signal, from a very traumatized enslaved child is actually making me

Unbelievable responses. I've thought about this and imagine the entire court system is filled with the other side of the "dualism" certain schools of thought promote as reality over unity and soul evolution and redemption, which I know and have seen very clearly all my life, and have always felt deeply is the true answer here. But I would still seek legal advice and then if to pursue further in that way, PRO BONO, including from retired judges. Get a list of names and petition them. Some are not nwo supporters and some are very adamantly opposed to child labor. There are some who are actually freedom fighters in the system.

The one I love the most but can't find any email address directly for him is in BC, he's the honorable Tom Berger, I believe retired. He was a freedom fighter for the natives cause for years and has an incredible energy. Pro Bono advice would not hurt. Finding such people will be hard, but don't give up.

In the end, using this very platform to launch a public awareness of NWO and corprorate abuses, would be very good as well. Garnering support and signatures and round table freedom fighters upholding childrens rights would be wonderful.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by Unity_99]

oh for goodness sake can you hear yourself?

there is zero evidence that the picture is a 'distress call from a very traumatised enslaved child'- none at all why on earth you would get so angry over something that is probably not even happening?

After getting everyone to jump on her bandwagon the OP has no decided she's going to do nothing, least of all stop buying crap toys from China- if she really wanted to make a difference she would stop buying the crap toys.

The whole family posting here and posting moronic YouTubes of a NDE as a way of telling us they're a normal family, says to me they're not so nomal.

Its anyones guess as to the motivation for starting this thread, it could even just be a way to get attention.

Wow that is sad. Do whatever you need too!

reply to post by Enigma Publius

Originally posted by Enigma Publius
Well, I have decided to pass the buck I think. I have been looking in a lot of places for legal rules and what have you, and I cannot hire a lawyer, so it is in my best interest to let someone else who is more influencial handle this.

Frankly, I think you and others have over complicated this.

You do not need a lawyer. Nor will you likely need one in the future.

Simply forward the drawing, your explanation concerning its discovery, and your general concern that it may indicate something of significance to any (or several) of the international child protection organizations.

You don't have to interpret or make assumptions about anything. These organizations are the real experts. If they see it as important, they, more than anyone else, will be sufficiently qualified to determine how to pursue the matter.

If you feel a 'moral' responsibility, it should be satisfied by having forwarded the matter as described above. The experts will know how to assess it...and you will have done the most you could have done-- whatever the circumstance.

My personal view is that the drawing likely does not mean the things you initially thought. But I do not foreclose entirely upon the possibilities you suggest-- however remote.

As I've already said, don't over complicate this. Do your part and trust in those who dedicate all of their time in the pursuit of child protection to do the rest.

A heart felt, Good luck!

[edit on 10-11-2009 by loam]

Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by Unity_99
Seeing the number of people on this thread, when its very clearly a distress call, a beacon signal, from a very traumatized enslaved child is actually making me

Unbelievable responses. I've thought about this and imagine the entire court system is filled with the other side of the "dualism" certain schools of thought promote as reality over unity and soul evolution and redemption, which I know and have seen very clearly all my life, and have always felt deeply is the true answer here. But I would still seek legal advice and then if to pursue further in that way, PRO BONO, including from retired judges. Get a list of names and petition them. Some are not nwo supporters and some are very adamantly opposed to child labor. There are some who are actually freedom fighters in the system.

The one I love the most but can't find any email address directly for him is in BC, he's the honorable Tom Berger, I believe retired. He was a freedom fighter for the natives cause for years and has an incredible energy. Pro Bono advice would not hurt. Finding such people will be hard, but don't give up.

In the end, using this very platform to launch a public awareness of NWO and corprorate abuses, would be very good as well. Garnering support and signatures and round table freedom fighters upholding childrens rights would be wonderful.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by Unity_99]

oh for goodness sake can you hear yourself?

there is zero evidence that the picture is a 'distress call from a very traumatised enslaved child'- none at all why on earth you would get so angry over something that is probably not even happening?

After getting everyone to jump on her bandwagon the OP has no decided she's going to do nothing, least of all stop buying crap toys from China- if she really wanted to make a difference she would stop buying the crap toys.

The whole family posting here and posting moronic YouTubes of a NDE as a way of telling us they're a normal family, says to me they're not so nomal.

Its anyones guess as to the motivation for starting this thread, it could even just be a way to get attention.

Ya know, I thought ATS fold were not supposed to make assumptions on things they do not know.

I would like to know what the families youtube videos have to do with this thread. How does my mother having a experience that could be written about and sold mind you....have anything to do with your assumptions about the OP stance now.

Have you ever had something crazy happen to you, something that made yourself ask yourself....is this worth sharing with others, even though I will be ridiculed? What is worth coming out to bring a voice that you know everyone will not want to hear, that everyone wont agree. Sure there are some that choose a stance that screams for attention, but it shouldnt take you long to discern what their motives are.

So my mother having a vision while near dying and me and my family sharing this crazy azz vision with others is for attention? I have read my share of stories and books...I know when there is something that other people would be interested in. We could of easily went to some huge tv show or book publisher....we could of made money ya know.

That was not our purpose, we are a family of seekers. We are a family that has always shared our home and everything we had. The amount of freinds that I and my brother have that call our parents mom and dad should show a person what kind of family we are. We share meals often, we sit around the table and talk about theories and news. What is normal now adays? Well our normal is that we still eat dinner together, we still go for walks with our childlren, we hang around the yard and watch the kids play, we like to see the world and teach out children to share and care for others. The not so normal things that have happened to my family does not make us any different then what we ever were....just a few folds trying to survive and do right.

But you judge us on the fact that my mother, before she almost died, had a experience of 9 hours of visions (who cares the explanation, what she recalled and experienced entertains the mind either way), we found the experience to be fascinating....so we made videos so people could hear it straight from her mouth....AND THAT makes us not normal?? What about the rest of our lives?

Well God forbid, I never would of thought sharing a experience (or a picture for that matter) would label a family as 'not normal'.

I would think a place like this would appriciate the idea that a entire family talks here and shares their thoughts. I have been told that it adds to alot of discussions to hear a family show different opinions and views, but walk away still showing they love eachother.

Thank goodness most of the people here are not like you, fast to judge the cover without reading the book. Most here actually dont make assumptions so fast. Sounds like you have another agenda, feeling the need to make our family out to be some loons cause they posted youtube videos.

Did you see our other videos, there are a couple of my father singing (in the south its called back porch singin) and a video I made of our family, like a slide show.

There is a time when pride gets the best of people, well my family is one of those times. I am blessed beyond measure to have the family I have and we are not people out to waste the time of others.

So what if the OP has ruffled your feathers....so what if you think posting a NDE like no other is for attention...so that leads to the assumption that the OP is wanting attention and we all just want attention. My God, I am a mother of 3, my brother and I care for our mother who is bed bound and cant ever walk again...our time is so full of nonsense and chaos that we dont have time to even THINK about wanting attention.

I think assumptions are a waste of anyones time. There are enough posts here by all of us to show we are just some folk looking for truths and trying to figure out what the hell this world is about. Good Lord.

You cant please them all...aint that the truth.

reply to post by azureskys


I think your response borders on paranoia.

Not a tenth of that caution is required.

reply to post by loam


Just to note...if the experience is stressing the OPer then mabey passing the buck would be best. Mabey in order for this to get the attention and people it needs, it will need to be done with plenty of time and energy to see it followed through.

Things like this do bring alot of stress to a person. To just 'do it' and not worry about it are easier said then done. Its hard enough these days just trying to keep ones own head afloat ya know.

Passing the buck is not ignoring anything. Sometimes only the person themselves knows what is best. I dont think my brother would care for the attention this might all bring the 'whistle blower'. He is more of the type that just wants to be left alone...but as we can see with his emotions in his OP that he has a big heart. Having something like this to think about night and day can be draining.

It may be best for someone to handle this that doesnt mind the attention as well as can balance daily life with the worries of it all. My brother is a simple guy who just wants to see that others are treated right. I think a little more fell in his lap then he was ready for. Mabey after a few days he can refocus and recenter...who knows. We all just have to take it day by day. Its not going to get tossed aside or ignored though. That is what is important I think.

Just thoughts out loud
LV