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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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I did not sleep last night, I had a zombie nightmare and stayed up all night after that. So I am getting VERY tired. But When I come back I will work on a picture of the packaging as it was in the beginning, and just smudge out the brand name, and gun shape. It will take a little work, so I want to be fresh when I do it.
Also, sometime today, I will take some photos of various "bathroom art" and whatever is mild enough to show here on ATS I will post, then we can compare that to drawings that I will ask my son, and neice and nephew to draw. I will not tell them why, I'll just ask easch of them to draw a little girl, and tell them they have only 2 minutes to do it.

their ages are 7,11, and 13.

That should provide a good array of examples, I will also draw one myself. I will film all of it, and post it right here, then we can have a more educated and scientific method for determining if a kid or adult drew it.

I encourage you at home to do the same if you have kids, and draw one yourself. Let's compare and see the results!
Doesn't that make sense?




posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Enigma Publius
I am growing tired of talking about this, and I believe it's made by a kid, but I wish I could just give up on it and not feel guilty about it. How's that for honesty? I am just tired of it. Does that make me cold or insensitive? I don't know, but I can't change how I feel. If I could, I'd make myself believe your shaky idea that this horrible drawing is made by an adult or teen, and go back to reading my new book I bought the other day.
I am burnt out and wish I could just not care. I am going to log off now and come back later when I am more level-headed again.


Judging from your initial reaction to the drawing, I believe that it was divinely put into your particular hands for a reason. Not only because of a driving concern for the child/ren; but also because of your being able to start the process of doing something for the voice of concern, by the right one to draw the picture..

There is obviously no reason to nay-say your concerns here from any-body.. And you have been given many avenues to gain momentum in your movement by other mature, concerned ATSers.. My prayers are for you and the child, and what you are both representing here/now..

No consequencE..

Thank you.

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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WOW.

thank you very, very much.
Keep an eye on this thread, I gotta get some rest, but I will be back later this afternoon with even more info and evidence, or at least I will try.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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I would also like to add that I still believe it couldn't hurt to keep it flat in a plastic bag just in case.. There can only be so much harm done. remember they handled it a lot more than none at all.. While drawing, they had to hold it tightly some I'm sure. Whatever u do there..

Edit to add: I believe the forensics of it depends upon the level of effort applied. I've heard of them getting finger prints off of porous rocks, etc!

So what if every-one elses is on there too; you know who you are.. That would take the kind of professional effort provided by some of the entities you have been enlightened about here in the thread; assuming they have the will to follow it through.

Thus your need to seek to apply many avenues in order of respect to their< "track record"..

No consequencE..

Thank you.






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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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enigma ... ive been following this post ! it has loads of encitful ideas but is mainly treading water, with mis informed people telling you what you can and cant do.

i dunno what you cant do, but i know the people who out this sort of behaviour are MSM agencys who can cover their own back and throw recorces at the situation to find out if its true or not.

being from uk .. .if it was me in your shoes, i woudl go to them, as i know they have covered this topic before and outed companies for this sort of behaviour (if it is a sweat shop type deal)

try contacting BBC's watchdog (its a show) ... i know your most likely in the usa, but they might be able to give you advice on who to go to as they have investigated it before many times!



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Wouldn't it be great if we could actually locate the, "artist" and then adopt them with a monthly pledge of support sent to to them from the ATS family and as many others that might wish to participate?

We supply monthly support in return for updates with pictures on the families progress.. I'd pledge, and I can't even afford to pay attention. Just a thought.

No consequencE..

Thank you.

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by canadianmouse

I don't think you want anyone proving you wrong. I think you want a pat on the back for stopping child labour.


She sure doesn't want to hear that she's part of the problem, considering I made a statement similar (with her assurance she would answer my question) and she has ignored me.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Okay a ellaborate a child (toddler), mentally disabled, or very bad adult arist put it there. Did that elaborate the situation for you? Notice I didn't write chilld in slavery or anything similair.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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Funny how you said between 5-7 she said her son was 7.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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Seeing the number of people on this thread, when its very clearly a distress call, a beacon signal, from a very traumatized enslaved child is actually making me


Unbelievable responses. I've thought about this and imagine the entire court system is filled with the other side of the "dualism" certain schools of thought promote as reality over unity and soul evolution and redemption, which I know and have seen very clearly all my life, and have always felt deeply is the true answer here. But I would still seek legal advice and then if to pursue further in that way, PRO BONO, including from retired judges. Get a list of names and petition them. Some are not nwo supporters and some are very adamantly opposed to child labor. There are some who are actually freedom fighters in the system.

The one I love the most but can't find any email address directly for him is in BC, he's the honorable Tom Berger, I believe retired. He was a freedom fighter for the natives cause for years and has an incredible energy. Pro Bono advice would not hurt. Finding such people will be hard, but don't give up.

In the end, using this very platform to launch a public awareness of NWO and corprorate abuses, would be very good as well. Garnering support and signatures and round table freedom fighters upholding childrens rights would be wonderful.

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Grandma
reply to post by v01i0
 


Why do you find that scary? Didn't your grandparents help support you when you were confused about events happening in your life?


Peace,
Grandma


Hey Granma,

Sincerely, it was meant to be a - yes, poor perhaps - joke (my initial post which you responded). And now that you asked: Nope, I never sought their care and advice, neither my parents. I had myself to support me, even though I am sure that they would've supported me should I've asked. I have very good parents and grandma (I never knew my granpa, for he died before I realized anything).

Anyhow, I am sorry for my poor joke. I meant no offense.

All the best,

-v

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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Continually answering negative comments is not necessary in a thread. I personally think she should focus on the ones coming up with ideas and ignore the amazingly negative energy hits I've been getting from reading these posts. Thats how I would handle it if this was my thread.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Enigma Publius

Originally posted by Bspiracy
after seeing the picture, I also have a disagreement with the assessment of what it means.
Urinating?. I don't see a semblance of a puddle, or the look of interpreted liquid which leads me to believe the OP's reaction is media driven...


b


You have to understand the feeling of opening the box and seeing a message from ACROSS the world. Like a message in a bottle. I am asking advice, it's not media driven. I feel like there's no coincidences in this world, I try to believe things happen for a reason. So I feel compelled to do something, even if it's just showing all the pics on here, I just don't want to get sued, so actually I'm afraid to use the media.


First off, the "feeling" you got when opening the box was created by you after you saw the note/letter/scribble. Did you have the feeling before you opened the box and saw the drawing?

Second, I was referring to "your feeling" as being media driven by the stories of "kids making soccer-balls under slave labor situations" So I'm saying your fear of the worst guided your reaction. After seeing the symbol means "fart" well, that totally changes the situation into a prank imo.

I'll finish reading the thread now to see if anything else came about in the time from your reaction to my reaction to yours..

edited to add that I do support an attempt to do something about a situation IF it were a situation. I'm not being negative but realistic. My first post on page 4 explains the opposite of my current viewpoint of this thread. Obviously you are good people and unfortunately good people are often led on wild goose-chases becasue they want to do good which unfortunately all too often leads to a negative

b

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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Thank you for having the courage to wade through all of the negative. Child labor and extreme abuses of humanity are common in this world, and China has a record of some terrible things done, study up on the dying rooms and girl orphans. It will break your heart to see this swept under the rug in their country, because the citizens are really decent, but much is hidden from them under the guise of good social programs and or huge numbers disempowered, but very positive. Considering China is a major power in this world, that they have these horrors in them as well is very concerning with nwo issues mounting daily.

I would, if I were you, ignore all extremely negative comments and only address the ones that are balanced or on the side of social justice.

I dont know what level of metaphysics you accept, but abuses of children, and child labor could be something to form a group for positive meditation/affirmation/intentions and visualize/affirm real answers coming, the right people getting involved, the right action to take, and success at every step, envisioning yourself, and everyone powerfully protected as you do the work you came to do. That your son recieved this implies to me, that this is part of the work you came to do. And you were meant to see this.

love and light!



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
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Continually answering negative comments is not necessary in a thread. I personally think she should focus on the ones coming up with ideas and ignore the amazingly negative energy hits I've been getting from reading these posts. Thats how I would handle it if this was my thread.


Exactly.. The thread is about effecting the well-being of a child.. It is not about avoiding the effort to effect. These people are off topic and rudely interrupting.. On topic is how can she quickly perfect her, "whistle-blowing", and ideally enhance the well-being of the child in a timely manner..



No consequencE..

Thank you.



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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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Like other posters said there were too much assumption made that skewed the OP's interpretations. But the OP's attempt is at least commendable.

EDIT:
To the OP: on second thought, I think you should find the person if you want to commit to this.

As a Chinese the handwriting of the word "fart" does look like to me it lacks the sophistication a mature educated person should have. I'd place the age of the person at 8 to 16, unless he/she really missed the education in their childhood. Although I will not jump to the conclusion just yet.

Posted for reference:



The best you can do is analyze more critically so as to eliminate all unfunded assumption. I know the word is "fart" not "pee", but using it as an example, we should conclude that a person who knows how to spell a word in a non-mother tongue should also have the ability to write a single alphabet correctly. These kind of thinking can uncloud the mind from initial impulsiveness.

Then what you can do next is investigate into it yourself. Talk to the store manager, get as much info as you can. Follow the lead through supply chain to the factory. Then you will need the help of a local Chinese person in close proximity to the factory to help you with your identification process. Of course there could be someone who can help with some or all of these as this is not an easy task. I'm abroad but I can offer help as an online translator if it's gotten to that point.


Once you identified the writer and it's positive there is any child abuse going on in the factory, regardless of the initial assumption about the picture, you should report the case to the local authority with the help of the local Chinese. The report hot line is "12333", which many cities and provinces have it activated, such as Guangdong (I'm under the impression most toy factories are located there). In some province there's even financial incentives (e.g. awarding the whistleblower 50% of the fine imposed on the offending company or factory) for reporting a child labor abuse case.

If the local means fall short, you can proceed to other international options such as ones posted earlier by other posters.

If it turns out to be just a happy child doodling, well you don't lose all as you gained yourself or for your son a friend oversea! I believe the working of Yuanfen (see en.wikipedia.org...), and you guys connected to this person for a reason. So why not enjoy and develop the relationship!

The way I see it is that there's really nothing to lose. Find the person and good luck with the journey!


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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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I didn't know if anyone posted this link:
www.multcolib.org...

A lot of good info and links there..

No consequencE..

Thank you.

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posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Hi all

Just wanted to bring my voice here...I am the OP's sister, Grandma is my mother as well. I saw the drawing very shortly after they found it, I saw the packaging and toy laying there.

I am just keeping an open mind to what the picture is of exactly, but I do think its pretty obvious that a child packaged this toy or put together the gun, one or the other. If this is so, that is reason enough for alarm. Yes, even though we know it happens, we should never stop being alarmed at child labor, dont ever become desensitised of such things.

The Op'er is my brother, Grandma is our mother. We happen to live next door to each other. I have a myspace page that is open to the public and my family has a youtube page. You can see that we are just regular people if you look around at our posts and links. I saw someone kept posting odd assumptions about our family and there is no reason for that. We share alot about ourselves here.

I think this defiantly should be noted and not put aside. We should be aware that children are being forced to work instead of learn and play. I am making this assumption on the fact that the picture looks like it was drawn by a child. It is an assumption based on the drawing.

LV



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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This is no real news to me,or many for that fact. Does anyone actually think China treats people with any respect? LOL! A few years ago,i had purchased a dinner plate set from Wal Mart,and when we got the set home,we opened the box only to find small children s hand prints all over the set. I'm going to have to say prints of a child of at least no older than 5 or 6 years old. It made me sick. All you have to do is finger print merchandise that was sealed in the new boxes,and i am sure you will find the same thing. The proof is there i assure you.





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