How is America still not crashed and burned??, page 1
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Topic started on 8-11-2009 @ 09:20 PM by NickT916
one thing i dont get is how is america still afloat? How does china still puts up with out stupid government? how do they still let our dumb government still print more and more money and get more in debt with china?

Obviously if china will threaten us with a nuke because we are not repaying any debt, they know with that threat they wont get anything in return... unless our options are to sell some states to china, like alaska or hawaii or CA etc...

Things keep rolling downhill for america, and the government doesnt care one bit... why? because there is some 200-300 people in congress that are already millionares thanks to us slaves. Once they get rich enough they might go buy an island for themselves or move to another country and not have to work ever... So once the things start getting reaaaalllyyy bad here, they want to make sure they drained the slaves to the max before they jump in their personal jets and fly to the destination of their choice

It doesnt make sense at all as to why America is still floating, why are we not bankrupt yet, why does our government still making money as more and more people are loosing jobs? why does the dollar still mean something? All these questions dont make sense... Shouldnt we be sunk by now with our own greed?? If this is the case.... why do we seem to be in neutral and not crashing??

This seems to be the only solution that would help us destroy our government, and seems like this is the only solution to getting our country back up and running... we must crash and burn and sink to the bottom... in order to fully recover our country!

In a lot of cases its better to tear down and start from scratch again with a new plan... our foundation is already to weak to build anything else on it... we must burn it and clean up!


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 09:25 PM by jam321
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It doesnt make sense at all as to why America is still floating, why are we not bankrupt yet, why does our government still making money as more and more people are loosing jobs?


Do you want us to crash and burn?

Do you want us to be bankrupt?

I don't see the US crashing. In one way or another we are all dependent on one another.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 09:29 PM by eldard
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America will not crash and burn overnight. It will be a long, slow, painful process.



reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 06:43 AM by St Udio
How is America still not crashed and burned??



A Partial (shortened) Answer might be:

The rest of the world has over 60 years of American money, power, leadership, arms deals,
'CARE' packages, The 'PEACE CORPS', Doctors Without Boarders...
and a host of other humanitarian aid & economic aid programs generated because of the USA's global hegemony in the political/military/economic/trade/humanitarian spheres.



Since we tend to forget -> The USA's quick response to the global financial crises which sprang from the sub-prime collapse and the fraudulent bonds/CDO/CDS/& derivatives that were the product of the swindlers at banks & rating-houses...which were sold to many banks & institutions around the world...

The Treasury & FED was quick to send more than $600+ billion to the Central Banks in the EU, England among others (to try to quell the expected backlash/blowback)...

Now If the whole globe is awash in US dollars, and has a great portion of their economies & financial dealings inmeshed with a US dollar influence ---One would not be too quick in condeming or distancing their systems from the USDollar contamination..It would be better to wean themselves from dollar hegemony, slowly so as to not fracture their own economies.

Also, with the USA as the globes most prolific Arms Merchant, keeping the USDollar to pay for these arms would be beneficial, because at the contracted deal price, the foreign land with dollars will find that they will be getting top notch technology for the devalued dollar they are paying with. ~a good deal for the buyer.

There are 100s of reasons why the world still tolorates the USD, and does not just drop it for these philosophic/moralistic reasons you list.

Have a nice day.



reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 09:39 AM by johnny2127
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I will try to respond as best as possible, given that it is obvious you do not understand some macro economic concepts. I do not mean that as an insult by the way. Most people don't but my job requires me to.

Anyways, lets start with China. China has already dramatically reduced how much money they lend to the US. Instead they are buying traditional dollar hedges. What this means is that when they buy commodities such as gold, silver, platinum, etc, those things go up in value as the dollar goes down in value. They are hedging their dollar positions as we speak. If they just got out all together right away, they would destroy their reserve holdings and therefore hurt themselves badly. So what they are doing is quite smart for them.

Now, on to why the US economy is still afloat. This topic could fill books, but I will keep it brief and simple. Its the Fed/Treasury printing money and flooding the system with it through its various policies. In essence, they allow financial institutions to borrow money from them for near zero interest, and place near any asset as collateral. In addition, they go into these financial institutions and buy toxic assets off their balance sheets to infuse money onto their balance sheets. Its started as a way to keep the financial system from imploding, then turned into an effort to get banks lending again both to individuals and businesses, which they hoped would lead to hiring. But it hasn't. In essence, imagine the economy is like a broke family that was about to go bankrupt, but then got a bunch of credit cards. Suddenly bills can be paid and things feel better, but a time will come when those credit cards need to be paid. And that will be painful.

Basically what you are seeing right now is two things. First, the US propped up with printed money. Second, an orderly unraveling of the world's dependence on the US. So while you do not get why a collapse hasn't happened, their will be a great deal of pain coming. I know you want a complete collapse, but that would be so painful and difficult on everyone, you really shouldn't want that. If that happened, chaos would reign, and you would be fighting just to be able to eat or stay warm. Trust me, you don't want that. Most likely we are going to enter a Japan-style era of stagnant growth and an aging population, with a govt ever increasing taxes, while removing services.
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