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"Prepare for War" -Chavez

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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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Well actually I'm the only one on the U.S my whole family is in Venezuela. I haven't had the chance to see my family in almost two years. Personally I'm victim of the Chavez persecution against young people and students who have show a opposite position. I try to help my family sending a few amount of money per month, but that haven been cancel by the goverment. If my family would like to send me an small amount of money to help me with tuition or personal expenses they are required to make a paperwork, and wait for goverment approval which can take months. I hope this clear your confusion.
Johnnyg
P.S my point is basically how my country is becoming more and more comunist.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by johnygius]




posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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WWIII here we come.
This should be interesting and the reason we are training more civilans in the US. Cool.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:41 AM
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The people of Ven has never ever had the benefits of their oil until now!
How easy and coward it is to acuse Chavez for all bad. I know, i lived there for many years long ago. the money transfer issue is not personal, the explanation for this has a wither perspective regarding the petrodollar.
Before you could send a lot of usd to miami, i know that. The majority of the Ven population had to go work for small pennies just to eat so no dollars to miami for 99% of the people.

And sure this is "only" politics, so i will not even comment the real risk of war, but what i do notice is how easy it is for the US gov to go to war, the human resourses are unlimited even thoug involved in a few other wars abroad allready and as usual, you can find a few suckers here allready that are willing to kill and die for the USA on Venezuelan territory, just name the "socialist ghost" that is enough for peoples worst faces to show, or the "muslim" or the "cong"...suckers!
I really really hate all American willing to go to war..HATE them! Ignorant brainwashed murderers.

How much is enough? How many wars is the US going to be involved in?
Soon we have South american suicide bombers (soldiers you call terrorsits) on US soil too!
You think anyone would care if it was not for the OIL!? AGAIN?!

Let Chavez rule his country, he was elected by majority and soon it is time for new elections. The tricks he used/uses are no more inmoral than the ones used in most part of the world, not least the USA, media manipulation/control and so on. So if anyone here cares for "democracy" start with your own government and let other countries solve their own problems.

Que viva Chavez! Yankee go home stay home.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by gusan]

[edit on 9-11-2009 by gusan]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Monts
I am so sick of all this provocation and fear mongering. The US government is as much to blame as Chavez. The US government has been constantly poking around in other countries affairs when they have no buisness doing so, and Chavez is just an attentions seeker.

War is so unbelievably immature, it is hard to find any kind of analogy to describe it. A playground brawl over who is "it" may come close, but at least in that situation the people who have a beef with eachother fight for themselves. In war, thousands and millions die because of a few people and their arrogance. Young, innoncent lives are sacrificing themselves while the almighty leaders sit comfy in their mansions.

Makes me sick.



co signed. Chvaez is a fool and no saint in his own right, but I;m tired of people acting as if the US does nothing to cause global turmoil. If a war breaks out in this hemisphere it will be another black eye on an already faltering Obama administration, who has betrayed the left/liberal/progressive base that elected him to actually put a stop to the nonsense and restore some sense of sanity in the world. He's just as bad as George Bush, he's just a better liar



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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it's sad to see these self named "Leaders" calling the people to war...while they hide in a cave, shaking full of fear (Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc.)

People should rise against this kind of persons and let them know they have no interest in war and watch their homeland being ripped apart. If they want to be involved in a war they should pick a rifle and go in front but as we know... they won't.

To declare war on US it's not a funny thing to do...the history has proved it.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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news.xinhuanet.com...
Iranian president to visit Venezuela to boost bilateral ties

www.reuters.com...
Uribe popularity dips due to scandal in Colombia

in.reuters.com...
ANALYSIS - Andean "Cold War" raises risks for Colombia, Venezuela



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Somehow I don't find Chavez to be a credible threat. Venezuela is not going to attack the US, unless Chavez is completely out of control - which I doubt he is. So what's left? Some skirmishes between Colombia and Venezuela, maybe involving some US troops? Probably not even that, though I could kind of see some of our guys getting too enthusiastic and wandering over the border or something.

Chavez is grandstanding. He has risen in popularity by making silly, inflammatory statements against the US. He's your basic fart in a windstorm.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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Are you aware that the US has or is going to have troops near their boarders? Do you believe us troops are nice to have near you if you are not american?
Take the troops home.
Oil and coca that is why the USA is involved in this...there is no leftish comunist ghost.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by gusan]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Well hopefully Dick Cheney will be the next president.
Then we are attacked by Cuba, with Mexican highjackers and then we can spread freedom in Venezuela by destroying their WMD -

Good luck Spewgo - they sell coffins at walmart now!


Obviously you haven't heard it yet...but a "Progressive Democrat" is President.... the entire administration is DEMOCRAT, including the mayority House, and Senate.... But of course people like you, as ALWAYS, try to turn this around and blame it on "Republicans"...just like Chavez blames ALWAYS the "Imperialistic United States...."

Chavez makes these ridiculous statements because he knows that there are IDIOTS who believe his lies....

Chavez himself has stated "President Obama is more Socialist than he is," yet he makes this claim once again that "The Imperialistic United States is out to get him"...meanwhile he declares to his troops, and people to "prepare with war with Colombia".....

It is obviously too late for those who believe this moron of Chavez, they have swallowed the whole Socialist/Communist propaganda that "The Imperialist U.S. is behind all evil".... when it is obvious who is trying to start a war...


[edit on 9-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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the Prepare for War slogan is for public consumption & reaction...

it will have its benefits, in the hightened profile of dissidents in Venezeula,
but a more subtile program is being played out here.

all those Venezuelian gold mines will contribute to the Venezulian teasury immensely with the extremly high price for physical gold in the world markets right now...
India just bought 200 tonnes of gold at near $1080. oz.
there will now be lines of CentralBanks and Sovereign Funds willing to pay handsomly for physical gold delivery....since India was first to break ranks

especially when Venezuela claims its' now on a (red flag) war alert,
and their supply might well be disrupted, even under attack by local enemy States and the Big Gringo to the North...
the flow of monies & resource trades-treaties between say Iran, central Asia, Saudi, Turkey, Brazil, Argentina with Chavez & Venezuela
will multiply by magnitudes!


Its an organized and engineered crisis being born

[edit on 9-11-2009 by St Udio]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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To me, it doesn't matter how Chavez rules his nation.

If the people of Venezuela don't like his rule, OVERTHROW HIM.

What bothers me is that the people of the world were warned YEARS ago by Aaron Russo that this was going to happen.

The U.S. figured out that controlling Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't going to be a cakewalk. Not that they really care. They have control of the government and thus, it's natural resources. They could care less if they can control it's people, or whether the world, or even the country is "safe".

Since those operations didn't go exactly as planned, it appears they've had to find a new way "into" Venezuela. And this comes by way of Columbia and funneling troops, equipment and funding through that country (and now, of course Columbia is appealing to the U.N.) to induce this coup upon Chavez.

Almost embarrassed to be an American at this time in the world - when the United States bullies smaller countries (in the name of Democracy or even world safety) until they control every aspect of natural resources that country may have had, or hoped to have sometime in the future.

The United States is the biggest waste of "hope" this world has ever seen. Sad really.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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www.youtube.com...

Interview with Aaron Russo that I recommend everyone watch, but a point in the interview beginning at 26:48 talks about the moves that would be taken by the United States following 9/11. The three moves were 1. invade Afghanistan to run a pipeline into the Caspian Sea. 2. Go into Iraq and set up a base in the middle east and run the oil fields and 3. GO AFTER CHAVEZ IN VENEZUELA.

Right on track that's all.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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I'm sorry, but this American propaganda that some of you vomit up is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You've been taught to dislike Venezuela by your idiot box media, and you swallow it like good stoolies.

I'm a Brit, and I've been educated about exactly what has happened in Venezuela. You Yanks don't like it because he chucked your sorry arses out of Venezuela, and took your imperalistic infrastructure away in the name of Venezuela.

Chavez is a hero to the people of Venezuela. The U.S. organised a coup against him, IT FAILED, and now you're all bent and twisted about having egg on your face. He came to power in one of the most democratically effective revolutions / elections in the history of South America. He chucked out the U.S. oil interests, and everything else your sorry country had implanted there, and took it back for the people.

Now I'm not naeve, I know how things work in South America, and I know that Chavez has an iron-clad grip on his country these days. I also know that he will be living a luxury lifestyle. But I'm damn sure average Venezuelans are better off for having the U.S. interests pulled out of their country, and the oil fortunes spent to make their lives better.

Because the 'Economic Hitmen', the 'Jackals', and the PR disinformation campaigns have failed, the U.S. is now responding with military force by-proxy of Colombia and the war on drugs. Typical American tactics. I think Chavez is quite right to make sure his country is tangibly, and psychologically prepared for war. Because with the U.S. having an overt presence in Colombia, that's exactly what will happen.

I sincerely hope that Colombia loses, and that lots of damage is done to the U.S. war machine in Colombia. When will the U.S. government, and it's redneck religious fundamentalist stoolies learn the lesson that the rest of the world will not tolerate this imperialism?

The Para.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by Parallex]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by HotSauce
I say bring it on Hugo. We would slap Venezuela so hard they would wake up in tne 18th century. Well maybe not since his buddy Obama is running the show these days. I would suppose to Marxists would ply nice together, and we know how Obama likes to be submissive when it comes to world politics.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by HotSauce]


Just keep thinking that. Pride always comes before the fall. I don't think you've really assessed the current United States situation...have you?

If China wants to beat us, all they have to do is sell our stocks on the open market. If we decide to invade Iran, Russia and China both will have our asses in a blender. If we keep attacking countries with no solid foundation, we'll lose support from our allies. Our military is already extended beyond belief, and our ability to wage war depends on whether China wants to keep fronting money. So, if we go knocking on Hugo's door, we might not receive the support or financing that you think is there for grabs. Finally, our taxes are already raised and above normal loads for most Americans, are you willing to have your taxes raised so you can fight another war of testosterone???



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Hugo is all bluster. This will fade quickly.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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I hope we will absolutely leave Venezuela to it's own demise. I'm curious though, why are you still in the U.S.? Perhaps this is the time Venezuela needs it's patriots to come home and assist in a peace effort.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:58 AM
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To Venezuela..
Im The Juggernaut *@^@^!




posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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To the one that said that Chavez is a wise man, well I can only laught at.

I'm from Colombia and currently live here in Bogotá, this conflict is not about the NWO, the Illuminati, or such. Is just like the problem between Argentina and England for the falkland islands. Currently Chavez is suffering a lot of critics in Venezuela due to his politics and the fact that the economy is going down hill, he's a dictator from the extreme-left.

On the other hand, our president Uribe, is one "warrior" of the Opus Dei.. a man that could be considered a fascist and right wing dictator who's practically modificating the constitution of Colombia for the second time, so he can be elected again next year. The sad fact, is that most of the country is with him and so he'll probably will win the "democractic" elections.

In case a war between these two countries happen, I really can't see the people fighting each other. Venezuelan and Colombian people are practically the same (specially those that live in the frontier) there's no hate between each other. Only some nationalist fags and puppets of the US on one hand, and on the other puppets of Chavez socialism, would fight.



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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I would like to point our, being a military man who watches this kind of stuff, that on any given day a non US friendly leader rattles the saber so to speak. Alot of the nations in question are on the brink of political chaos, and the only way for the defacto leader to maintain control is to have an enemy from with in, and enemy from with out. This is nothing new. And if he wants to wage war on us, we will be more then happy to introduce him to our friends the GBU-12, SDB, and AIM-120. I'm sure that will give Mr Chavez plenty to talk about on his weekly show.

EDIT: for spelling

[edit on 9-11-2009 by Obinhi]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Parallex
I'm sorry, but this American propaganda that some of you vomit up is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You've been taught to dislike Venezuela by your idiot box media, and you swallow it like good stoolies.


And many other sources. Sounds like your idea of America's intelligence is a bit biased, itself.


I'm a Brit, and I've been educated about exactly what has happened in Venezuela. You Yanks don't like it because he chucked your sorry arses out of Venezuela, and took your imperalistic infrastructure away in the name of Venezuela.


So because a man steals billions of dollars of equipment and throws away contracts, our oil companies [our population could probably care less] aren't allowed to be irritated or feel betrayed? Ah, yes. Because America deserved it. That's legal/logical reasoning.


Chavez is a hero to the people of Venezuela. The U.S. organised a coup against him, IT FAILED, and now you're all bent and twisted about having egg on your face. He came to power in one of the most democratically effective revolutions / elections in the history of South America. He chucked out the U.S. oil interests, and everything else your sorry country had implanted there, and took it back for the people.


I don't think the average American cares an iota about some failed coup. Or even knows about it in the first place. And yeah, Chavez is so democratic he stuffs ballots. Also, do you even know how badly he's maimed his own country's resources? Oil production is slowing, and not in the least because he's raping the 'nationalized oil industry' of all its funding and profits to make up for shortfalls in just about every part of the government.


Now I'm not naeve, I know how things work in South America, and I know that Chavez has an iron-clad grip on his country these days. I also know that he will be living a luxury lifestyle. But I'm damn sure average Venezuelans are better off for having the U.S. interests pulled out of their country, and the oil fortunes spent to make their lives better.


That's "naive", FYI. So you're "damn sure" that the average Venezuelan is better simply by nature that the United States is no longer involved in their country's economy? Gotta' love falling wages, and failing social programs. Yep.


Because the 'Economic Hitmen', the 'Jackals', and the PR disinformation campaigns have failed, the U.S. is now responding with military force by-proxy of Colombia and the war on drugs. Typical American tactics. I think Chavez is quite right to make sure his country is tangibly, and psychologically prepared for war. Because with the U.S. having an overt presence in Colombia, that's exactly what will happen.


The U.S. has had military force in Columbia for a long time now. FYI. And yeah, I'm sure the drug war which as raged for years now and cost billions of dollars has nothing to do with it.



I sincerely hope that Colombia loses, and that lots of damage is done to the U.S. war machine in Colombia. When will the U.S. government, and it's redneck religious fundamentalist stoolies learn the lesson that the rest of the world will not tolerate this imperialism?


Wrong administration. But thank you for your bigoted view anyway.




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