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Originally posted by serbsta
They did not come out of nowhere, please do more thorough research before resulting to such drastic claims. Read the works of Samual N. Kramer, a world renowned Assyriologist. He states that there were many tribes in the area who were on the brink of civilization for thousands of years.
Edit: Here's a followup question. What kind of evidence would you look for to substaniate claims of an evolving society and not just one that popped up 'over night'?
Would you look for really small, badly developed buildings?
- No, they would have been rebuilt by an advancing society.
Would you look for half developed languages?
- No, that wouldn't make sense would it.
How do you know that law and ethics just popped up 'over night'?
[edit on 9/11/2009 by serbsta]
yes.. they came out of nowhere. they were not on the brink of anything known. regardless of who wrote what book according to the various materials I have already read they were civilisations that have almost no history. small villages that grew "Almost as if over night" into major civilisations. THis is not to discount what Kramer says. HE is right.. there were VILLAGES all over the middle ease, and all over the world. the ones I mentioned with the exception of the Celts, were small villages that just up and advanced beyond anyone else globally (in terms of evolution, and geology) almost overnight. Secondly. I have done the research.. and continue doing the research. There are no referenced here on this post becasue like I said in the beginning there mate, THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT TO GET OPINIONS. thats all. this is not a debate, nor is it my staunch belief, its an idea I have had since childhood. After doing the bit of research I have I came to the conclusion that these gods of old MAY BE RELATIVE based off the time line of events. Whether or not an assyrologist or an egyptologist comes and says great work, or Piss off, is irrelevant, I am not going onto a complete history of any respective religion. you are missing the point. the point is simpley Given the situations, and the methods of arrival (Typically from the skies) and given the similarities in names, and alleged personal accounts, there is clearly something that happened here during these times with these people. I did not evey say THIS IS THE ONLY WAY. I Even pointed out, had you bothered to read the entire paper thus far "I AM NOT RULING OUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME TRAVELLER FROM SOUTH AMERICA COULD HAVE RETURNED FROM EGYPT AND SAYD PYRAMIDS ARE COOL> LETS BUILD THEM" Before you go getting all butt hurt, read the entire thing. So far everyone else has and say the same thing. Most common response this far "you MIGHT be on to something" and I even said I am not saying I am doing a better job than the professionals. I simply see a pattern. thats all. If you dont, then so be it. I do, the majority of the readers here do as well.. clearly.
Originally posted by kenochs
reply to post by serbsta
Sorry but I don't see any difference.
Was Christ's return prophecy or the necessary endgame of the elements of his existence that have become part of the Christian mythos?
I suggest the latter. And the same goes for all the others.
Originally posted by urwatu8
One small suggestion.
The Truth Seeker Spectrum should probably be anchored on one end by the "True Believer" who will brook no questioning of his correct understanding of the one true god. And be anchored on the other end by the Atheist who knows there is no supernatural and ridicules anyone with any other belief. These two points become the positive and negative infinities and are each absolute in their own right.
Most of us fall on the spectrum between those two. True skeptics are willing to hear any argument and shift their own positions when the evidence sways them.
Oh, and one question – who do you believe to be the Big Bad who sent the gods packing?
Originally posted by hadriana
I only know one thing about this for sure - and that is that the old Gods ARE being called again.
Monotheism has always confused me in relation to the old Gods.
Originally posted by kick Flip
reply to post by stanlee
I love it when people take this amount of time on a topic. Very interesting, and makes alot of sense. Not saying i believe it of coarse as one must always remain skeptical. S&F for you.
Originally posted by stanlee
reply to post by Helmkat
well one thing the old texts we understand to this day is this. the old gods clearly didnt come here with the intent of militarisation.
Originally posted by stanlee
reply to post by FIFIGI
THat is a possibility. So to is it a possibility that people back then were just bored out of their minds and decided to tell great tales of old, and write them down. and we have been mistaking them for religions.
how does this affect my theory? well it says in an even louder voice that though, I do possess intellect, I am not knowledgeable of all things. I havent really had the opportunity to study in depth the greco-roman pantheon as of yet. and in all honesty, I hadnt intended to play with them at all.. somehow they found their ways in here though. So being the psiritualist that I am I laid that to fate, and decided cool. I may be wrong on those parts but someone will correct me and inspire me to research them even further. It was to my understanding that zeus had a head ache and had his head split and out came athena or something to that effect. (as I said.. I havent really reasearched the greco-roman pantheon at this point) I will be hitting up those areas as well. As for the Hindu. I dont need to say anything about the possibility that they were intervening other worlders, as the two poems from them say it all for themselves. That would be tantamount to pointing to a flame and saying.. "thats hot"
Originally posted by Mr No One
Interesting theory that you lay out. However there is a fly in your ointment. Zeus was NOT the all father for the Greeks. Point of fact, he is the youngest of the Greek Gods (all were siblings) and son of the Titan Cronus. And Jupiter was the son of Saturn. Thus in the postulated return of the "old gods" there are still even older gods before them. How does this affect your theory, if at all?
Also. the Etruscan counter part to Zeus/Jupiter was Tinia and in Hindu, Indra.
[edit on 9-11-2009 by Mr No One]
Originally posted by bettermakings
I'm curious as to what you think of modern polytheistic religions like Vodou in West Africa & Latin America, where "gods" possess the bodies of people. Many of the gods are similar to the old pagan gods that you've mentioned.
Well thank you miss. I've been kicking around the thought and idea of this connection since I was about 13 or so. Now I am 34. lol I just got the time to start looking more heavily into all of this. and yes.. it is addicting. I love this ATS thing because there are brilliant points that I did not consider to look at, and there are random facts that I wasnt aware of that fellow thinkers and those that just know point out for me. This thread was posted for exactly two resons. the afore mentioned AND to see if I should even bother going on with this..... er.. paper? thesis? dissertation? book? random act of bordom? anywho.. thank you again. U2U me if you like.
Originally posted by woodwytch
reply to post by stanlee
Quick word of warning ... it can be addictive ... I've been working on some of my principles for about 10yrs and they just keep evolving.
Well met. Woody. (S&F FOR YOU)
Oh but they did... in fact they came with a massive array of weapons and fought large wars that nearly wiped out humanity.
Just ask our friends Krishnu and Arjuna.
Doesn't have to mean we have mistaken them. Stories that have been written purely out of the imagination could have very well developed into fully functioning religious faiths an cults. Despite all research, i still believe this to be the most likely cause, not necessarily meaning its true of course.
You should get Skyfloating in here to give you his opinion.