I dont think this approach actually gets to the truth. Yes much info and contact can be done in the astral, though not so much if its lower astral, simply in your astral body, if they raise your vibrations. But the problem with abductions/contacts/experience, as I will share from my own family and a friend of mind living thousands of miles away who just so happens to share some of my experiences with me, and other friends as well. We exchange notes the next day a lot. These experiences involve: siting of crafts. missing time, while awake and up in the night, suddenly an hour two mysteriously vanishes just when you begin to watch a television show, or have just noticed the time on the computer. wounds. physical wounds, gouges, small ones too, bruises, marks, needle marks even, and burning red splashes. wounds on the head, where a device was seen, and the neck. Wires and odd things popping out of wounds. One friend has the common reported triangle shaped markings/wounds afterwards, and for its the entire family as well as her young daugther.

There is a whole lot more to this experience than the astral realm. Ets are masters of all realms, the higher level ones. They even create planes or influence their creation. Those at least that are according to Drake's formula, level 3 societies.




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Originally posted by Unity_99There is a whole lot more to this experience than the astral realm. Ets are masters of all realms, the higher level ones.

I tend to agree - and this is the other reason why I think the OPs theory is flawed rather. Not only do "astral" type experiences not rule out real ET involvement in these episodes, but there are so many aspects that are not purely astral in nature to the reported Grey abductions and encounters.

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by Unity_99There is a whole lot more to this experience than the astral realm. Ets are masters of all realms, the higher level ones.

I tend to agree - and this is the other reason why I think the OPs theory is flawed rather. Not only do "astral" type experiences not rule out real ET involvement in these episodes, but there are so many aspects that are not purely astral in nature to the reported Grey abductions and encounters.

Yes, and higher level ETs, drop their bodies like a pair of clothing. This entire thing complicates matters enormously. What may confuse some at night time, and they may percieve as an astral experience, tends to be a true ET phenomenum instead.

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by Unity_99There is a whole lot more to this experience than the astral realm. Ets are masters of all realms, the higher level ones.

I tend to agree - and this is the other reason why I think the OPs theory is flawed rather. Not only do "astral" type experiences not rule out real ET involvement in these episodes, but there are so many aspects that are not purely astral in nature to the reported Grey abductions and encounters.

Yes, and higher level ETs, drop their bodies like a pair of clothing. This entire thing complicates matters enormously. What may confuse some at night time, and they may percieve as an astral experience, tends to be a true ET phenomenum instead.

I think that both Malcram and Unity_99 are each correct in their interpretations here, I also think that this is is an argument over semantics. In my mind the difference between the travelling through the "astral" plane, and one "dropping their bodies like a pair of clothing" is so similar as to be effectively the same. The question that I think is pressing is not HOW, but WHY.

Further, I suggest that the argument over Extra-dimensional vs Extra-terrestrial is purely intellectual at this point. I would be content to say "Extra" and leave it at that for all it gets us.

tamale

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Originally posted by Tamale_214
the allies of humanity material proposes that the first contact with ET forces for most planets will be resource collectives. Groups that work together to obtain natural resources necessary for their continued survival.

With all do respect, we don't need any extraterrestrial technologies, we are clever enough to evolve technologically on our own; given the current circumstance of greedy one's this is not going to happen even if the aliens or whatever you want to call them landed tomorrow offering us proton, zoton, voton reactors for unlimited energy source power.

Realistically the free source energy is already been devised and implemented by our very scientists; unfortunately the reason we are lacking is because there is a little thing called mutual silence among this controversy.

Originally posted by krystalice

Originally posted by Tamale_214
the allies of humanity material proposes that the first contact with ET forces for most planets will be resource collectives. Groups that work together to obtain natural resources necessary for their continued survival.

With all do respect, we don't need any extraterrestrial technologies, we are clever enough to evolve technologically on our own; given the current circumstance of greedy one's this is not going to happen even if the aliens or whatever you want to call them landed tomorrow offering us proton, zoton, voton reactors for unlimited energy source power.

Realistically the free source energy is already been devised and implemented by our very scientists; unfortunately the reason we are lacking is because there is a little thing called mutual silence among this controversy.

I rather think that you misunderstand me. I do not think that the collectives that I refer to here want to give us anything that will benefit us, rather I think that they don't care about us one way or another, except as a hurdle to jump or a natural resource to exploit. Basically, the scenario that I am arguing is one in which we are the Native Americans and they are the European colonialists infecting our blankets with smallpox.

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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by The Shrike
Not everything you said is as said. Especially the "hag" episode. I'm an experiencer.

Thanks for sharing that experience.

I am not saying that Hags and Grays are the same thing, Im saying that they show-up in similar states. The idea is that they are both astral.

Yet, possibly the most famous and most respected "astral traveler", Robert A. Monroe (The Monroe Institute) doesn't mention aliens in his many OOBEs.

Originally posted by Malcram
For instance, the idea you posted that abduction being an "astral phenomenon" (in some cases) would mean it was "not an extraterrestrial phenomenon" is flawed, I believe, because it assumes that there can be no relationship between "real" ETs and the "astral plane".

Sure the astral can also be extraterrestrial and vice-versa. But the Greys seem to be very much less physical than what humanity currently thinks when it thinks "alien".

Therefore, there is no reason why an ET civilization which has learned to access and operate with mastery on this level, either through technology or development of their own system, could not also use "astral projection" to achieve certain goals.

Oh I see. You`re thinking: An extraterrestrial race that uses astral-techniques, rather than an astral-race.

Thats certainly an option.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Both the physical and the astral are at play in my life and my families.

In figuring out this mystery its important that you told us that both were involved.

The physical was disturbing having waken to the effects and marks on my body. My dog and cat also experienced the physical, they vomited a great deal and wanted nothing to do with the room that it had transpired in.

I keep getting that its a real negative vibe. What some Grays say though is: "It only seems negative because you cant handle it". While there is some logic to that, I wonder if thats a lie.

These incidents involved being shown craft and in some kind of holographic window I was allowed to see the misery we live in along with a few other things.

There is a noticeable tendency for them to point out how miserable and humans are - implying that we need their help or something.

Have you ever been in the military..anything along those lines?

Not that I consciously know of....

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Originally posted by infinite
Yes, one of the trailers shows footage of a ladies body language suddenly altering - as in possession. Breaks into twitches and a "fit" - similar to demonic possession. Then, she is lifted into the air

It comes down to the question of whether they are negative beings by nature and induce fear or only appear negative because of our already inherent fears.

That question is a classic in all of theology, philosophy, etc.

Maybe the answer is a mixture of both.

Originally posted by NightVision

Many contactee reports confirm that our human mind has much more ability than we are aware of. This either due to the level of consciousness a human carries, or inactive and untapped DNA. Perhaps some ET's have found a way thru advanced tech. to tap into those latent abilities within themselves and us.

Thats likely. In retrospect my impression of the Greys is that they are rather weak, having to bully up on the terrified child that I was. Maybe its not they who are coming to save us but vice-versa.

Originally posted by Unity_99
There is a whole lot more to this experience than the astral realm.

You'll find that most are willing to consider that. No problem at all. My own OP is only from a perspective of what I experienced.

However, "astral realm" does not mean the unreal, vague quality many ascribe to it. It can feel very real.

Ets are masters of all realms, the higher level ones. They even create planes or influence their creation. Those at least that are according to Drake's formula, level 3 societies.

Not all entities would be "masters of all realms". There is reason to doubt that these specific entities (not talking about any other ET species here) are what they try to appear to be.