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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 03:49 PM by DaMod
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What is the real truth? There is no god? Prove it...

Maybe it's not so much playing favorites as it is not his responsibility to clean up after us. It's ours.


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 04:00 PM by DaMod
I've always loved how people put the word "Religion" in a little box all by itself.

Tell me... What do you beleive?

Guess what bub. That's your religion!

They will never explain religion because then they would have to explain away every belief system on earth,

Which includes:

Atheism, Agnosticism, Buddhism (which includes Baha'i), Hinduism, Vodun (Voodo), Scientology, Islam, Judaism, Aboriginal Faiths, Secular Humanists, Jainism, Confucianism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Wicca, Zoroastrianism, Druidism, Caodaism, Damanhur, Deism, Druze, Eckankar, Roma (Gypsies), Ifa, Lukumi, Macumba, Mowahhidoon, Native American (Spirituality), Santeria, Elian Gonzalez (Religious Movement), Unitarianism, Church of Satan, and Christianity.

Did I miss any?

Edit:

I felt that perhaps my thread needed a little more to explain my true point:

What I'm trying to say is not to use the word Religion. Use the word Christianity if you disagree with Christianity. Use the word Islam if you disagree with the Muslim faith. Use any of the words I said above or others that where not mentioned. The word "religion" is too vague and is not the appropriate terminology.

I also have to mention to those that say there is more evidence to support god does not exist than the alternative. This is also an incorrect statement. You cannot disprove god. You have to understand that all religion (any belief system that mankind has ever had including the current beliefs which would also include Atheism and Christianity) on earth may be completely incorrect. We all might be mistaken as to what "god" really is and in what form they exist. (our universe might be one giant mind for all we know! You know this is correct since no existing theory or scientific law includes or excludes those that support a universal neural network, M theory, String Theory, etc. etc. can prove or disprove any of this. None of these:
A list to scientific laws that most of you will probably use later as a reference.)
can prove or disprove anything. You're religion (or belief system) stands no matter whether you believe in god or not. Whether you embody anything on that list at all.

Imagine all the religions that might exist throughout the universe for every species everywhere else. Imagine of we are a common occurrence, or even not so common. Either way, who is to say any of us have it really pegged. No matter what form, no one can be 100% sure.

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On a personal note:

Personally, I believe in god. Some may call it idiotic, speculative, naive, or downright stupid. The fact remains. I would like to believe that there is perhaps a purpose, logical path, or perhaps a meaning to things. You can flame all you want that I said "Believe" or whatnot, but I will still believe what I want. I think you have this right as well.

to the OP:

Nothing will happen, because some people will believe that there is something bigger than them. There are people that say they are their own god and whatnot, but then we loose the ability to be Humble.

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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 11:58 PM by WishForWings
reply to post by DaMod



Prove there is no god? I don't think the onus is on me, considering there's more proof that there isn't a god.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:33 AM by DaMod
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What proves there isn't a god.

I want to see sources.

I want to see references from books or writings.

I want to see scientific descriptions of actions that occur in nature that (even if every religion that ever existed is wrong) would prove that there is no possibility of the entire universe being a living being, or having an external creator.

There is no evidence to say that there is no god.

There are some that even use something as hilarious as evolution to disprove god! Even if the theory of evolution is absolutely right it doesn't disprove anything except already accepted religious beliefs. There in fact is not one iota of science that can prove or disprove the existence of a higher being existing in this universe.

Disbelief all you want. I don't' care what you say about religion or god! Do not use the words fact or proof because there is none in either side of the argument no matter whether you are talking about a religion that exists or none at all. (which btw Atheism is in "fact" your religion if that is what you believe).

WHY DO WE EVEN CARE WHO IS WHAT RELIGION ANYWAY! CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT RELIGION (ANY Fing BELIEF SYSTEM) AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT PLEASE!!!!!


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 12:43 AM by WishForWings
Originally posted by DaMod
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WHY DO WE EVEN CARE WHO IS WHAT RELIGION ANYWAY! CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT RELIGION (ANY Fing BELIEF SYSTEM) AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT PLEASE!!!!!


Hah, couldn't agree more.
Consider this my internet equivalent of shaking hands.


reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 01:03 AM by Has2b
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I perferred your concise unedited version better

You had already "nailed it":


Tell me... What do you beleive?
Guess what bub. That's your religion!


Science IS a religion!!!!!


But, I understand why you did !

Many including OP relate the concept of "religion" to a specific "brand"


We all in some way/degree are interested in science to be viewing this forum.

However, the expectations of some are bizzare!

When Mr Mad Scientist can create another observable universe... lets face it he would have to develop one bigger than a test tube.

I personally would happily accept somethingsay Disneyland size... but they would have to have ... ALL the answers about EVERYTHING!


Then, the OP, might? be able to convince????? ...all those who SIMPLY retort:

"I DONT BELIEVE IT! It is a surely a Conspiracy!"

Also.... he would have to make sure everyone on the PLANET paid attention, then understood all his language (the scientific math stuff too), and then all "got it"!

I contend many would still ....happily drink beer, focus on sex and money, go to their variety of "church", and say I just don't understand!


We all often .... believe.... a chair, is good for sitting on to hold us above the floor!

Occasionally our "faith" is wrong!.... because it breaks and ...we fall!

Everyone bases their entire minute by minute life, on some form of belief!!!!

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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 03:41 AM by DaMod
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Yeah, there is a time in everyone's life that they just feel the need to rant. Sometimes we just have to come back and "elaborate".

I work tirelessly to end this dumb argument we get into sometimes. You know, religion, God, and all that. Maybe one day we will all realize that we are in this together.

Is it wrong to believe in maybe a contributing power that is higher than myself? Surely the only answer to the ultimate question will come when we cross the borders of this mortal coil. Until that day, is it wrong to hope for the best?

But, that's just me.

Thanks for the feed back.

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reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 09:41 AM by micpsi
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