House passes health care reform bill; Vote garners only one Republican, page 5
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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 07:37 AM by marg6043
reply to post by crimvelvet


I am sure that you will not be the only one, I will be right there with you my friend, I know that this bills if passed with mandates is very wide open for challenging in the supreme court because of the unconstitutionality of it, I can only imagine lawyers already thinking how to cash out of this


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 07:50 AM by marg6043
reply to post by kozmo


I have to agree with you, congress will not be democrat anymore, let hope that with the fragile state of our nation economically the next to hold majority congress don't bring us more into bankruptcy that we already are.

After all both elite parties in the nation has been the ones driving this nation to the ground because of their addiction to lobbyist sucking pimps



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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 07:55 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by DYepes




I say if we get enoug peope to switch to the public option, then we can ban the privatization of any health companies and the entire system will be under the taxpayer's control instead of the special interest of autocratic organizations which funnel the earning into unethical business practices and umbrella corps worldwide.


Who do you really think is going to be in CHARGE of this program - THE INSURANCE COMPANIES of course.

Look at the corporate revolving door at the FDA and USDA if you do not believe me. see www.politicalfriendster.com... and
www.oneumbrellaforliberty.com...


A list of lobbying money is here: www.lavidalocavore.org...


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:02 AM by whatukno
reply to post by semperfortis


You know what Semp, your absolutely right. These social programs just need to end. How dare they waste our money on this bs!

We need to get rid of all these socialist programs. Like Public Schools, Libraries, Police, Firefighters, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, The US Armed Forces etc. Why should our tax dollars go to fund these perils of the capitalist system. I mean if you don't have the means to hire your own security, why should I pay for it? Why should I pay to send kids to school? And those libraries? GIVE ME A BREAK! Why should my hard earned tax money go to fund such a wastefull public place? If you can't afford books you aren't working hard enough to read anyway.

You know, while we are at it, why are we giving our roads away? I mean any Tom Dick or Harry can just drive or walk down any street they like? Why are we spending money on such waste as Departments of Transportation? Why does our tax money go to such "entitlement" programs like Water and Sewer?

Just because our constitution tells our government to promote the general Welfare of the nation doesn't mean they should.

Of course it's likely that the taxes that are taken out of my weekly paycheck will fund parts of these horrid socialist programs, and even though I will bring home roughly 7000.00 this year from a 40 hour a week job, Ill pay income tax. (I do every year, sure I get a refund, but it's less than I put in. So I do pay tax.)

But your right Semper, we must simply end these horrid socialist programs. Dang you Washington! We want to live free and have absolutely nothing done for us whatsoever no matter what income bracket we are in!

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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:09 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by jam321




Government could have done a lot in the last twenty years or so if they had really been so concerned with such profits. And I feel the Insurance companies will survive and get a share of the pie. In a way, I think Congress helped them. I believe I had read that their was a clause in there that would prevent any new insurance companies from popping up. Lessen the competition may be the name of this game.


This health care law reminds me of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

These fellows were not stupid. You have to give them credit. They didn't get to be where they were by being country bumpkins. They understood politics, they understood mass psychology and they played their cards exceedingly well.... And then at the insistence of Paul Warburg who was forever the master strategist, they added several very sound provisions to the Federal Reserve Bill...Warburg's associates said, "Paul, what are you doing? We don't want those in there this is our bill." And his response was this, he said, "Relax fellas, don't you get it? Our object is to get the bill passed. We can fix it up later." Those were his exact words. "We can fix it up later." He was so right. It was because of those provisions that they won over the support of William Jennings Bryan the head of the Populist Movement, the last hold-out against the bill. Bryan was concerned that this would be an instrument for ruining the nation's money supply but when he saw those provisions he said, "Oh well, those are good provisions, I guess I can support the bill now" never dreaming that this was temporary. Everything is temporary in politics. When people go to sleep things can get changed

Warburg was right and they fixed it up later. The Federal Reserve Act since it was passed has been amended over 100 times. Every one of those provisions were long ago removed and many more have been added which greatly expand the power and reach of the Federal Reserve System to create money out of nothing. With this kind of professional strategy and deception these people were real professionals and the public didn't stand a chance.
www.bigeye.com...



We got suckered once we just got suckered again. Health Care is a HUGE money making machine and TPTB are not about to kill it in the name of reform.






reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:15 AM by Angiras
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by DYepes



Who do you really think is going to be in CHARGE of this program - THE INSURANCE COMPANIES of course.



Actually, the agency in charge of the program, and the agency that will throw you in Jail for non-compliance is the IRS--the ubiquitous Tax-Man. The Insurance Companies are merely the beneficiaries of the program, who like the banks are simply being bailed out, this time through mandated health insurance and an increased tax on the US public.

Banks, Oil Companies, Insurance Companies, and Pharmaceuticals. These are the entities that Congress is devoted to protecting and supporting, not the American public. This whole "social welfare" program, supposedly designed to help the poor and uninsured is just a cover. The real intent of this bill is to destroy the middle class, by draining off more of its dwindling disposable income, while simultaneously strengthening the big corporations.

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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:19 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by marg6043




After all both elite parties in the nation has been the ones driving this nation to the groups because of their addiction to lobbyist sucking pimps


Yes if ever there was a time to bring in a third party this is it. I and I am sure most Americans are fed up with big Business Republicans and Big business Democrats who pretend to be socialists. After all who sold us out to the international Corporations known as the World Trade Organization - a democrat. And who sponsored the Federal Reserve Act - a democrat.

Actions speak louder than words It is just getting past the "your throwing away your vote" propaganda that keeps us in the pockets of TPTB.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:22 AM by Angiras
reply to post by pavil


You are absolutely right. The Health Care bill WILL NOT reduce health care costs. The insurance companies have already publically stated that they will be increasing their insurance premiums accross the board if the bill passes, and Congress has given them a carte blanche check to do so. So the insurance companies make out like bandits, and the American public gets screwed. Thanks Congress.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:26 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by quackers




So, you can stop whining about socialized health care, because you do not have socialized health care, what you have is corporate fascism.


quackers I love you, Thanks for stating this so clearly. It is Corporate fascism with the Insurance companies running the show just like the bankers run the Federal Reserve.


I wish the Socialists would look behind the curtain and see who is really writing the bills in Congress. In one breath they scream about corporate lobbying and in the next the endorse a corporate scam like the Heath Care or Food Safety bills.

If you try to point out the problems with a bill you immediately get labeled a rebooblican and discounted


FOLLOW THE FN MONEY DARN IT!!!





reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 08:49 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by whatukno




You know, while we are at it, why are we giving our roads away? I mean any Tom Dick or Harry can just drive or walk down any street they like? Why are we spending money on such waste as Departments of Transportation? Why does our tax money go to such "entitlement" programs like Water and Sewer?


AHHHhhhh I hate to tell you this but the government HAS given our roads away.

The Department of Homeland Security says 80% of our ports are operated by Foreigners and they are buying and running US bridges and toll roads. www.alabamaeagle.org...

TPTB also plan to transfer our farmland to the Transnational Corporations. The "harmonization" of first world agriculture laws with WTO wishes resulted in a massive transfer of land ownership from private to corporate worldwide. The greedy cartels running the World Trade Organization are not satisfied with part of the cake they want it ALL.


Up for grabs at the negotiating table is worldwide privatization and deregulation of public energy and water utilities, postal services, higher education and state alcohol distribution controls; a new right for foreign firms to obtain U.S. Small Business Administration loans; elimination of a list of specific U.S. state laws about land use, professional licensing and consumer protections, and extreme deregulation of private-sector service industries such as insurance, banking, mutual funds and securities. www.commondreams.org...


So the US government is selling off our "publicly held" assets and that may soon include our schools.


We want the CONSTITUTION back in force. That means the STATE government controlled by the people determine what is done NOT the federal government controlled by the CORPORATIONS thru LOBBYING!

Why is it whenever someone does not want a corporate/fascist law the socialists scream about how we are anti-humanitarian. Please get it through your head the banker/Corporate elite are all for "socialism" THEIR form of socialism

“What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control...” search.marxists.org...

TPTB wants to warp your dreams of "socialism" and "environmentalism into "a feudalist "concentration camp,"


It is therefore not surprising that another hat that Maurice Strong has worn is that of Treasurer, now Fellow, of Lindesfarne, New York, whose founder, William Thompson, conceived it as a medieval village into which the remnants of humanity might be herded as a feudalist "concentration camp," once genocidal eco-facist policies of the sort advocated by Maurice Strong had taken hold. And, for good measure, Strong is the president of the World Economic Forum, the Davos, Switzerland annual summit of the world's private bankers', which will be keynoted this year by Vice President Al Gore.

This article appears in the January 29, 1999 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
Maurice Strong Discusses His Pal
Al Gore's Dark Age `Cloak of Green'
by Scott Thompson


Maurice Strong is father of Environmentalism, Global Warming with ties to the USSR, China, the Rockefellers, Rothchilds, World Bank, oil and the UN

if you think Al Gore was bad CO2 polluter, Strong has him topped by a mile as the head of the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada!

...Ontario Hydro, an industrial concern, headed by Earth Summit secretary general Maurice Strong, which is the biggest source of CO2 emissions in Canada. This corporation is currently selling nuclear reactors to Argentina and Chile.... www.hartford-hwp.com...




FOLLOW THE MONEY



reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 09:26 AM by David9176
reply to post by nixie_nox




I am just actually surprised congress is working on a saturday night. Isn't that when they take their mistresses out?


Lol...no...Saturday night is cheap Prostitute night in Washington. Who knows...maybe that's who is writing our bills!


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 09:49 AM by St Udio
reply to post by Angiras


by Angiras....Insurance Companies, and Pharmaceuticals. These are the entities that Congress is devoted to protecting and supporting, not the American public. This whole "social welfare" program, supposedly designed to help the poor and uninsured is just a cover. The real intent of this bill is to destroy the middle class, by draining off more of its dwindling disposable income, ,,,




~i just had to respond;..

you cite: the dwindling middle class has less-&-less 'disposable income'... as the final result or goal....

the hidden process here is -->>we are now going to Pay for our collective 'Inalienable right to Life-Liberty-Pursuit of Happiness'

We, the masses will be 'paying' for mandatory health coverage...
but the elites will have their coverage awarded to them as part of the package of perks...thus evading the health-coverage as income or compensation...

I don't know how exactly the health care for executives will be packaged, but i know for certain the Corporations will get a tax advantage
in providing non-taxable coverage to their elite exec's...
who themselves will not have to pay income taxes on their full wage compensation packages.


Only the 'masses' will carry the burden, which once was a 'right'...

perhaps those unable to pay (those erased from a prior middle-class status) can "Indenture" themselves into Federal programs which provide services in the public good... (serfdom)(servitude) ... as a way to 'pay' the required $15k per year for a family of four health insurance coverage.


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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 09:52 AM by Stormdancer777
reply to post by quackers


TY that was insightful, looking at it from another angle.
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