Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lifecitizen

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But neither is the Christian conception of a "god" the only conception of a "god" out there. It is rather like judging all the members of one race on the antics of one or a handle full of them.

Any human emotion can be used to control us if you think about it. All one has to do is to know how to manipulate us right and be in a position to do so.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lifecitizen

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I don't think the OP was. Just any god. There was some Christians in here talking about their beliefs. I am sorry but I am inclined to believe you are here simply to continue a battle with the afforementioned. And I know I wasn't.

It is also worth noting that when refering to how the conception of any god is refuted you refer to Christian conceptions.

Oh and I added this to my previous post:

Any human emotion can be used to control us if you think about it. All one has to do is to know how to manipulate us right and be in a position to do so.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lifecitizen

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You are familiar with the idea that not every story told about something need not be true for the something to be fact?

well, you dont know that anymore than I do- the OP hasnt been back so we're both just guessing arent we?

having said that- I would say it's a bit hard to battle someone that isnt here

Yes I know any emotion can be used but like you said yourself in this thread- the fear of not having eternal life is a motivator in peoples beliefs.

But I am one who believes that Christianity may have held one or two kernals of truth that got horribly twisted into a device for control by claiming disobiedence to the physical church would have dire consequences in the afterlife.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lifecitizen

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well, you dont know that anymore than I do- the OP hasnt been back so we're both just guessing arent we?

Surely you noticed the "I think" instead of a statement of "known fact".

having said that- I would say it's a bit hard to battle someone that isnt here

I was talking about you battling the Christians. I ass-u-me-d that was self evident.

Yes I know any emotion can be used but like you said yourself in this thread- the fear of not having eternal life is a motivator in peoples beliefs.

Actually, I never said any such thing. I am sure that could and most likely is some of their motivation, I do not pretend to be able to read minds. But that also does not address the validity or invalidity of their beliefs. As I pointed out earlier you can do the right thing for the wrong reasons and the wrong thing for the right reasons. My exact words were this:

But I am one who believes that Christianity may have held one or two kernals of truth that got horribly twisted into a device for control by claiming disobiedence to the physical church would have dire consequences in the afterlife.

takes two to tango Watcher, no battling here just replying to posts directed at me.

so, if you keep quoting me and posting, I will reply- it's only early here

we are saying the same thing in regards to control- fear of not having an afterlife being a motivator for obeying god- or in your words, the church- which are one and the same thing as religious folk often times find god in church

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lifecitizen

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You are familiar with the idea that not every story told about something *in this case an event caused by the Christian deity* need not be true for the something to be fact *otherwords for the deity to exist*?
Say you did not know if Gorilla's existed. I could tell you a Gorilla was green, breathed fire and flew by flapping it's ears. Would that mean Gorillas did not exist?

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lifecitizen

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takes two to tango Watcher, no battling here just replying to posts directed at me.

so, if you keep quoting me and posting, I will reply- it's only early here

Second time now. I was talking about how I think your just here to battle with them. Of which I am not one though I thought that obvious. So, either you're not paying attention, got problems focusing mentally or you are attempting to frusterate me.

we are saying the same thing in regards to control- fear of not having an afterlife being a motivator for obeying god- or in your words, the church- which are one and the same thing as religious folk often times find god in church

No, you are adding words. I said nothing about fear of not having an afterlife. Dire consequences does not necessarily mean oblivion. They do believe in that place called Hell remember? Do please at least try to keep up.