The Fourth Kind: Beware of "abduction" prop/agenda., page 3

reply to post by bluestreak53

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I don't believe you are correct. I didn't see anywhere here where anyone said that the documented footage was actually not real, was made by the film director.

To Sol,

typing a bunch of ...... does not make for a conversation. I don't know what you are trying to say can you use some words to convey your message?

Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by bluestreak53

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I don't believe you are correct. I didn't see anywhere here where anyone said that the documented footage was actually not real, was made by the film director.

He is mistaken.

The marketing people are claiming that the director used documentary footage as a basis for re-enactments for the film. There is a large disclaimer at the end of the movie however..

"All events and places 'blah, blah blah'... are works of fiction. All similarities to actual people and events.. blah blah blah.. is coincidental."

He is duped my marketing.

As much as I hate bothering to make another post on yet another thread dedicated to this tasteless crappy movie, I thought that readers would be interested in what real abduction researcher, Budd Hopkins has to say about the movie in his review, "The Fourth Kind - A Movie to Avoid":

On Tuesday, Nov. 3, as I sat in a theater being bombarded with soundtrack noise - screams – many screams – and melodramatic, over-the-top music, I was watching the new, self-described UFO abuction film, The Fourth Kind, and wondering how the screenwriters could get so many things wrong.
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Underlying all of this fictional, never before reported malarky, the film’s pseudo-documentary style strains to convince us that everything depicted is “supported by actual case material.”
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Second, the hyper-emotional reactions mimed by the actors are almost non-existent in competently conducted hypnosis sessions. I’ve observed actual screams in perhaps six or seven of the nearly two thousand hypnosis sessions I’ve been present for, or carried out myself, over three decades, and have never seen the kind of mindless terror, vomiting and crashing about that the movie graphically, and shamelessly, forces upon the audience.
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Such a viewer could be deeply unsettled by this noisy, fictional mishmash, which, as I’ve said, involves murder, gunfire and suicide, as well as seemingly endless minutes of blurred, fake video imagery which the filmmakers insist is “real.”

The full review can be read on Hopkins website here:The Fourth Kind - A Movie to Avoid


[edit on 8-11-2009 by bluestreak53]

reply to post by badgerprints

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Originally posted by badgerprints
Wait a minute,
Did you just write an entire page telling us that hypnotism,
which may not be admissible in court
but is a well known phenomenon and has been deeply studied is all a lie?

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No, I haven't.

Read?

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reply to post by Telos

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Originally posted by Telos
Are you implying that abductions aren't real? I mean based on what your stated here hypnosis is bull crap and cannot be taken seriously. But don't we have almost all abduction stories revealed through the process of hypnosis? This is such a strong statement to make. I don't care about the movie, I'm talking about real abductions stories.

Adding a question: How much do you know about hypnosis and how much
have you researched this process on the abducties?

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Some of the things I know and understand
about hypnosis are expressed on this thread.

The point is that you can research
the subject of hypnosis yourself, if so,
you will have to arrive at similar conclusions as I have.

I am indeed implying, 'abduction' by extra-terrestrials is NOT real.

Where are the facts?

Hypnosis can NOT provide these?

So, where are these facts?

You can NOT "research" this process on the "abducties"
because you will have to first find "abducties"?

You will have to first assume they ("abducties") exist?

Where are they?

In Hollywood?

On anonymous internet boards?

In books of fiction?

In the "assumptions" as presented by certain 'researchers'?

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reply to post by bluestreak53

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Originally posted by bluestreak53
"As much as I hate bothering to make another post on yet another thread dedicated to this tasteless crappy movie, I thought that readers would be interested in what real abduction researcher, Budd Hopkins has to say about the movie in his review, "The Fourth Kind - A Movie to Avoid""
[edit on 8-11-2009 by bluestreak53]

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Thanks for bothering.

Rather confusing that Mr."intruders foundation" Hopkins,
does not like the movie?

Why?

A bit too much ridicule/drama for his comfort/paycheck?

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Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by Telos

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Originally posted by Telos
Are you implying that abductions aren't real? I mean based on what your stated here hypnosis is bull crap and cannot be taken seriously. But don't we have almost all abduction stories revealed through the process of hypnosis? This is such a strong statement to make. I don't care about the movie, I'm talking about real abductions stories.

Adding a question: How much do you know about hypnosis and how much
have you researched this process on the abducties?

...

Some of the things I know and understand
about hypnosis are expressed on this thread.

The point is that you can research
the subject of hypnosis yourself, if so,
you will have to arrive at similar conclusions as I have.

I am indeed implying, 'abduction' by extra-terrestrials is NOT real.

Where are the facts?

Hypnosis can NOT provide these?

So, where are these facts?

You can NOT "research" this process on the "abducties"
because you will have to first find "abducties"?

You will have to first assume they ("abducties") exist?

Where are they?

In Hollywood?

On anonymous internet boards?

In books of fiction?

In the "assumptions" as presented by certain 'researchers'?

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You need some education, my friend.

First of all, to say that 'Abductees' do not exist is purely ignorance. Some of the most prestigious universities is the world do research into the phenomenon. Harvard, Yale, NYU (Heh), U of Michigan, and MANY others do case studies regularly.

Hypnotherapy is a very real practice which is regulated in the United States by a board of Certified Clinical Hypnotherapists. If Hypnotherapy is a credible science, it's source Hypnosis MUST also be scientifically acceptable.

For something to be scientifically acceptable, it needs to be able to be scientifically tested. Hypnosis has been so vetted and researched. To claim otherwise is to argue from a position of weakness and ignorance.

Also, Hypnosis is used in court proceedings all the time. Do a quick google search of Forensic Hypnosis. You will find all kinds of information to start your research.

To end..

This movie is fake.
The events depicted are fictional.
Hypnosis as seen in movies is fake.
Hypnosis as a Science is real.
To say otherwise is incorrect.

reply to post by uglybattle

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HYPNOSIS MAY GIVE FALSE CONFIDENCE IN INACCURATE MEMORIES

SAN FRANCISCO - A new study suggests that hypnosis doesn't help people recall events more accurately - but it does tend to make people more confident of their inaccurate memories. Researchers asked college students, including some who were under hypnosis, to give the dates of 20 national and international news events from the past 11 years.

"The bottom line is that memories recovered through hypnosis, or any other technique, need to be corroborated through other means before they are accepted as true."

researchnews.osu.edu...

Makes perfect sense.

reply to post by Tryptych

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Originally posted by Tryptych
Makes perfect sense.

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As I wrote,

The 'abduction crowd' refuses to get updated
on the insights and findings of modern psychology?

The date of what is posted at the link you've provided:

"Embargoed for release until 9:00 AM PDT, Sunday, August 26, 2001,
to coincide with the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association."

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reply to post by Tryptych

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Originally posted by Tryptych

As stated earlier, these people are only out there to make money on this growing subject. Pretty simple. And actually, this will probably make more people interested in it.

I'll admit that I had the same thoughts as you did when. And I'm probably going to see this, because I love horror and sci-fi

Enjoy.

The double edged sword of disinfo/'disclosure'.

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reply to post by Sol12

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I probably will, because i got the common sense to know that is know that this isn't how the usual abduction cases are (as the abduction researcher stated). For most experiences that i've heard about, the fear is mostly caused by the shocking situation rather that the actions of the abductors (In this case, Aliens).

To me, the whole scenario of some hypothetical hyperbeings being malevolent against less developed races sounds really naive. Why would we want to "conquer" ants?

If this is some type of disinfo to make the "Aliens" look bad.. epic fail.

reply to post by Sol12

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I see, my mistake. You are not looking to be educated.

Apologies.

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