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Are you serious, bud? (pun not intended)
Again, I just hope there is something we can do without violence to stop this....before it is too late...
Originally posted by badkarma90
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by calstorm
Originally posted by 12.21.12
reply to post by Tyr Sog
Well the lot of you go to jail to prove a solid point - that is what a true revolutionary would do. Clog up the jails, there is not a better way to prove solidarity and kill an oppressive force.
That would work, only now prisons are privatized, so you'd actually be GIVING them more money.
90% of the prisons here in AZ are already privatized.... thats just #ing wrong
My point is, Washington would quiver in fear, the media would plaster it 24/7-
The privatized jail system would not be able to meet demand -
Originally posted by hoghead cheese
I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.
Originally posted by ziggy1706
I dotn have health insurance..and dont like it being ramed up my butt my that biatch Pelosi, god damn socialist communist she is*
so, i could be arrested now...swell! whording up all of us will further bankrupt states maybe in doing so, the fed will be forced ot take back the bailout money they shelled out, jsut ot pay off the masses without health insurance now
serisouly...how are they going to know if you do or dont have insurabce or not? go one day into hospitol, broken leg, terminal cancer, and ind out you dont have insurance...have yuo arrested in tha condition???
2) All big firms and employers above a certain amount of revenue per annum are now required to provide medical coverage for ALL employees, or face government hell.
On Sun, 8/9/09, > wrote:
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:23 PM
Here is some information with regard to the health care bill in the House right now from a physician who has read the 1000 pages. He only emphasizes how the physician will be affected, but this is so important. Please read.
Subject: Fw: Indianapolis Doctor’s Letter to Senator Bayh about Healthcare Bill
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:03 PM
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Fw: Indianapolis Doctor’s Letter to Senator Bayh about Healthcare Bill
Forward I received from your sister…
Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh. Feel free to copy it and send it around to our other representatives.
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I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translation: illegal aliens.
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business’s with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.>
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that!
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same!
Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor’s time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.
Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?
Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!
Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non-profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.
Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
Furthermore, If you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor/patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.
Originally posted by Philalethes
Originally posted by hoghead cheese
I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.
Hey ideas are greats but lets think this one out...They're already bankrupt and who would pay for it if its free thus further bankrupting it. How about those who have employer provided HC that's part of their paycheck? Those folks are now working for their HC and someone elses. That's the definition of Marxisim. We're capitalists, until today I think we're on our way to Socialism.
Phil