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Health Care- Now(Passed)

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posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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I dotn have health insurance..and dont like it being ramed up my butt my that biatch Pelosi, god damn socialist communist she is*
so, i could be arrested now...swell! whording up all of us will further bankrupt states
maybe in doing so, the fed will be forced ot take back the bailout money they shelled out, jsut ot pay off the masses without health insurance now

serisouly...how are they going to know if you do or dont have insurabce or not? go one day into hospitol, broken leg, terminal cancer, and ind out you dont have insurance...have yuo arrested in tha condition???




posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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The devil is in the details. Nothing any gov't tries to do "for the People" is ever intended to benefit them so the question is WHY are they doing this. Forget about whether you like national healthcare or not one thing must always be understood...

Your gov't does not care about your wellbeing at all so why do they want you to have healthcare?



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Are you serious, bud? (pun not intended)


Not really. But yeah. LOL T&C gotta love it!



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Again, I just hope there is something we can do without violence to stop this....before it is too late...


That, my friend, will be taken care of peacefully at the ballot box beginning tonight. There will be such a backlash against these mindless liberals! They should have seen it coming but didn't. They had no mandate other than a pop culture, smooth talking black president talking change that only won by 7 points against a weak opponent.

Recapturing the House and Senate after tonight will be swift and easy! The difficulty will be repairing the damage done to the country socially and economically due to entitlements, run away spending, debt, unemployment and corruption that this last year has brought upon us!



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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Yes serious but realistic...What realistic ideas do you have? How many people do you think it would take to have a successful revolt? America isn't anywhere close to that. So ideas to change what we have???

Phil



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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Don't fall into the republican vs. democrat mumbo jumbo. That is exactly what they want...these actors put on a show today with the 1 republican vote so that the republicans can blame the dems. Just like the democrats blamed the repubs for the war stuff...it's a cycle that is repeating and only like 2 percent get it...just crazy. This kind of stuff happening on the weekend after the Texas military shootings too? On a Saturday?

As for solutions... I would say revolution, but if we do...then that is what they have already planned...



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by badkarma90

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by calstorm

Originally posted by 12.21.12
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Well the lot of you go to jail to prove a solid point - that is what a true revolutionary would do. Clog up the jails, there is not a better way to prove solidarity and kill an oppressive force.


That would work, only now prisons are privatized, so you'd actually be GIVING them more money.

90% of the prisons here in AZ are already privatized.... thats just #ing wrong


My point is, Washington would quiver in fear, the media would plaster it 24/7-

The privatized jail system would not be able to meet demand -



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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Who is Mao? Is he a friend of yours?

All I know is that we are very close to loosing any health care insurance coverage and without it, you will become closer to your friend mao than you might like.

I would prefer to keep my coverage through my employer without loosing everything and that might become a reality all because some hick somewheres can't see past next week and thinks he's above all dat.

Well put your teeth back in and suck it up, because that is the reality we face.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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Dear USA,

Welcome to the land of socialized medicine and rationed care. It sucks. Should've stayed where you were at.

Condolences,
Germany



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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Hell I would rather not have health insurance and die from whatever disease catches up with me than be forced by my government to buy it against my will.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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THIS IS HISTORY IN THE MAKING.

I'm so proud to be part of it.

Just to reiterate, here's what's new (and reduced to layman terms in case u don't want to read 2000 pages):

1) 96% of Americans will now have coverage in one way or the other. If these 96% cannot afford coverage, an application to federal subsidies would grant households the ability to buy insurance.

2) All big firms and employers above a certain amount of revenue per annum are now required to provide medical coverage for ALL employees, or face government hell.

3) Insurance companies now cannot charge higher premiums based on sex or medical history.

4) Insurance companies cannot FIX prices, that is, they cannot charge at a higher price to earn profits and cause other companies to follow suit (a trait of oligopolies). The prices now have to follow the market pricing, which is closer to perfect market.

5) Consumers now CHOOSE insurance, not the companies CHOOSING consumers. I love this - higher level of information which grants consumers the rightful power.

6) The government WILL provide insurance in cases of consumers who cannot find the right insurance to cover his or her 'issues', but these premiums will be, aptly, charged higher than private firms.

7) THE BEST: Insurance firms cannot now get out of paying out just because of "previously-undisclosed medical histories". THAT IS A RELIEF. You know sometimes these firms try to weasel out of paying despite all the money we've given them each month.

I'm very happy.

On top of it, for all you Republicans, abortions are NOT covered by government subsidies. In other words, if you want abortions, your insurance firm either has to already have preexisting coverage for such operations, or you'll have to pay for it out of your own pocket.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by hoghead cheese
I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.


Hey ideas are greats but lets think this one out...They're already bankrupt and who would pay for it if its free thus further bankrupting it. How about those who have employer provided HC that's part of their paycheck? Those folks are now working for their HC and someone elses. That's the definition of Marxisim. We're capitalists, until today I think we're on our way to Socialism.

Phil



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by ziggy1706
I dotn have health insurance..and dont like it being ramed up my butt my that biatch Pelosi, god damn socialist communist she is*
so, i could be arrested now...swell! whording up all of us will further bankrupt states
maybe in doing so, the fed will be forced ot take back the bailout money they shelled out, jsut ot pay off the masses without health insurance now

serisouly...how are they going to know if you do or dont have insurabce or not? go one day into hospitol, broken leg, terminal cancer, and ind out you dont have insurance...have yuo arrested in tha condition???


You say that now. Wait until one day, you have a serious accident, or have an operation, or even something as simple as THE FLU, and watch as the medical institutions around you start OVERCHARGING, and you can't pay.

You're all so typical. You don't understand what this law means before you start shooting your mouth off. This law also prevents firms from OVERCHARGING you. So all that talk about saving your taxes? You wanting more disposable income? how about starting with recognizing that you're not going to OVERPAY anymore?



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:19 AM
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2) All big firms and employers above a certain amount of revenue per annum are now required to provide medical coverage for ALL employees, or face government hell.


Well kiss a bunch more American jobs goodbye. I bet the Chinese will be pleased with this. Even a little less competition for them. Helll, I am about ready just to hand them the keys. Well, not quite yet.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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Obviously some people are still living in "la la land"....

Meanwhile the truth is...


On Sun, 8/9/09, > wrote:
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:23 PM
Here is some information with regard to the health care bill in the House right now from a physician who has read the 1000 pages. He only emphasizes how the physician will be affected, but this is so important. Please read.
Subject: Fw: Indianapolis Doctor’s Letter to Senator Bayh about Healthcare Bill
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:03 PM
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Fw: Indianapolis Doctor’s Letter to Senator Bayh about Healthcare Bill
Forward I received from your sister…
Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh. Feel free to copy it and send it around to our other representatives.

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I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business’s with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.>
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor’s time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!

Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non-profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.

Furthermore, If you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor/patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

in-ra.org...

So, meanwhile "some" keep living in "la la land," and think the Obama "CHAINS" are good, the rest of us have to live in the real world....

[edit on 8-11-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by Philalethes

Originally posted by hoghead cheese
I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.


Hey ideas are greats but lets think this one out...They're already bankrupt and who would pay for it if its free thus further bankrupting it. How about those who have employer provided HC that's part of their paycheck? Those folks are now working for their HC and someone elses. That's the definition of Marxisim. We're capitalists, until today I think we're on our way to Socialism.

Phil


Higher taxes is one thing.

But read closer into this law before you start shooting your mouth off. The government-funded insurance, i.e. the public option, has higher starting premiums than private firms. I.e. if you WANT the public option you have to PAY for it. Thus the high taxes only go toward paying for the federal subsidies, which, if you had any ounces of goodwill in you, would realize that would help all the poor people in the poorer parts of the country to afford medical help and medicine they otherwise would be unable to afford, i.e. they will LIVE instead of DYING.

You know all that Christian goodwill that's being quoted in church? Let's start with SEEING the good in things first, how about that.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Is that right? Well I think I speak for all of us who wish to continue living, that we thank you for your sacrifice be it unnecessary as it may because health care will be made available to everyone who needs it.

I can read your obit now. He was an independent soul, it's to bad because he could have survived under the new health care provided to everyone. If only he could have seen it.



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