Originally posted by W3RLIED2
Originally posted by Ahabstar
So it passed the House, but since I do not recall Congress having any Constitutional power to either administer nor regulate medical care, was it a Constitutionally legal Bill Proposal in the first place?
I see conflicts with the 4th, 8th and 9th and a very flagrant violation of the 10th Amendments in the text of the Bill.
Enjoy the day in the sun....or moon as this case seemed to be. It only takes 1/10 of the population to violently oppose this to effect a serious and immediate change. They may find that current 10% of unemployed might have just found something to do after all.
[edit on 7-11-2009 by Ahabstar]
Originally posted by 12.21.12
I am surprised, while all this is going on people aren't keeping an eye on the dollar.
This could all heat up very quickly. I think that if this 2000+ page bill passes, it will be the final straw.
Our founding fathers fought for freedom against banks,
this one is against the healthcare system and banks, bundled with new currency for all.
HR 3962 -- The fine print Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, the HR 3962 has the following provisions:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [Page 1] ...
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [Page 2] ...
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
Originally posted by patmac
Originally posted by W3RLIED2
Let's gather up all of the republicans and democrats that opposed the healthcare bill, the cyber security bill, and the other horrible horrible bills that are being voted on. And let's merge this group of politicians into a NEW party. What is taking so long?
ACCORDING TO THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION:
The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.
The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.
The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception.
Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.
Pathologists yelled, “Over my dead body!” while the Pediatricians said, ‘Oh, Grow up!’
The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.
Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing.
The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, “This puts a whole new face on the matter.”
The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.
The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas and the Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.
In the end (so to speak), the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington !!!