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Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Janky Red
No jank! i had so much faith in you that you would be able to answer all my questions without having to research what i was talking about ... bleh
Though I do envy your ignorance. You can just rattle of your "equations" as an argument when you cant actually address what those numbers mean. Don't be discouraged after high school it becomes much easier.
But you will have to have the initiative to get through college. Oh yeah and hey if your parents cant afford tuition, its no big deal you can always get a student loan. But alas with healthcare reform the way its going you'll have to shell out double what your student loan costs monthly for healthcare by itself.
But don't complain to me. I was the one telling you that would happen, little did you know, of course. Yes how little you do know.
Originally posted by Janky Red
I don't think people listen to me - I have you and Captain Kirk calling me Karl Marx
and ignoring the math...
I do medical billing in a chiropractic office
yes and I see how much the doctors have
to write off which only makes the insurance industry larger and MORE expensive.
You guys seem to believe that the industry will pass on their savings to consumers.
The do not, the insurance industry increases its operation to justify higher premiums.
I can show you the back door to online billing which is not in the public domain
www.ashlink.com...
You guys attack the person in an attempt to disqualify anything they say;
then you convince yourself that EVERYTHING that person says is false.
But at the end of the day those numbers represent the current trajectory of premium cost.
These thread goers did not jump to your conclusions
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Originally posted by nenothtu
Convenient that the changing of colors confused conservatives so much that they
voted for BUSH 2 times.
You damn well know this country has never been a hands off deal in your whole life.
NAME ANY president in your lifetime who has not passed GOVERNMENT mandated laws.
IT won't happen the way you envision, the system is BOUGHT and as long as there are arms of government that operate free of oversight, thats how deep it goes. You and the Marxists have to wake up, you live in a world where such pure intentions will never operate as intended.
Supply and demand and the way you see it is DEAD, it has been
corrupted by the system. Where you are wrong is not recognizing who BUYS our government, unfortunately applying you intentions to this current system compounds the problem. Not only do the elite buy the government officials, but they have 100
million Americans insuring their way is unfettered using idealism as an implement.
So how do you confront or defeat TPTB if you defend their fundamental RIGHT
to control the system via "FREEDOM"?
I do not go wildly one way - I weigh both sides and then decide,
I am pro gun
Anti NAFTA
Close the FED
Pro choice
anti immigration
Pro gay marriage
this is exactly why I tried to figure out the condition of the current healthcare system. For one you guys are right, we will never see $250,000 policies because we would go broke before then, I was hoping one of you would do the math to see for yourselves.
Currently UHC is out sourcing its main call center, reducing its doctor reimbursement
schedules across the board and raising premiums. Thats business right? Well its also
your countrymen getting laid off, stiffed and ripped off all at the same time.
Those INDIVIDUALS who buy the healthcare GAMBLE are also AMERICANS -
I assumed because the trend is so wildly out of control that some people would take the healthcare issue seriously. Something that eats up more and more of the GDP that could go to job creation, investments or even healthcare itself. But no, why would we try to look ahead and address a problem that will cripple this nation EVENTUALLY
when thats freedom...
[edit on 10-11-2009 by Janky Red]
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by Janky Red
I don't think people listen to me - I have you and Captain Kirk calling me Karl Marx
and ignoring the math...
It would be somewhat refreshing if you could begin at least one post with something other than a juvenile attempt at insult, but it's ok, I understand. That's just the way you folks on the left roll.
As far as Karl Marx goes, if you'd stop quoting him and setting forth his ideas, we might not make that mistake.
I do medical billing in a chiropractic office
Doesn't that make you part of the systemic problem then? It does give some insight, though. It appears that you think if the government would just take this mess over, you'd get whatever money you could charge. I see why this idea benefits you now.
I don't however, think it will work out as well as you'd like.
yes and I see how much the doctors have
to write off which only makes the insurance industry larger and MORE expensive.
I dunno. Could be. Maybe you can explain to me how DOCTOR losses, which aren't paid by insurance, increases insurance costs?
You guys seem to believe that the industry will pass on their savings to consumers.
The do not, the insurance industry increases its operation to justify higher premiums.
I must not have been clear. I don't CARE what the insurance industry does. I don't play that lotto. I DO, however, care that the government is going to get into the game and try to FORCE me to play, either by forcing me to support some hinky insurer, or by supporting hinky government insurance.
Other than that, I really don't care if all insurers simply explode, and splatter all over the walls.
It's very annoying that you think I'll jump on the bandwagon out of fear, and support your cause, by throwing mathematical magic at me and assuming that I won't examine it, but will just accept it.
You will NOT "fear" me into playing the insurance lotto.
I can show you the back door to online billing which is not in the public domain
www.ashlink.com...
Sorry, I typically enter computer systems through back doors.
You guys attack the person in an attempt to disqualify anything they say;
then you convince yourself that EVERYTHING that person says is false.
Nope. Never attacked you, just your flawed premises. I'm sure you've had to say something, sometime, somewhere that is correct. This discussion isn't it, though.
But at the end of the day those numbers represent the current trajectory of premium cost.
Your "Trajectory" is dead on, I think.
Damn right
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I never claimed to speak for those thread goers. They may arrive at any conclusions they desire. Not my job to think for them. I DID, however, find it interesting that you're posting your mathematical magic ALL OVER ATS, in what appears to be a copy and past of the same thing. (which you copied from this very thread, however I am too stupid to make the connection)
Originally posted by Janky Red
Thats right man, righties are saints and superior to regular human beings
The fact is you cannot disprove my magical math and the fact remains you won't
because you CAN'T.
You don't need to worry about the government bankrupting us, we will get it how you like it.
Enjoy the magical math! Pour up baby!
Originally posted by Beefcake
The devil is in the details. Nothing any gov't tries to do "for the People" is ever intended to benefit them so the question is WHY are they doing this. Forget about whether you like national healthcare or not one thing must always be understood...
Your gov't does not care about your wellbeing at all so why do they want you to have healthcare?
Surreal.
what our country was built upon
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Realtruth
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Congress does have the expressed right to regulate the health insurance industry. It also has the obligation to establish a public option.