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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 12:59 PM by conspiracyrus
philip.greenspun.com...

alot of good information there for people who think this healthcare is a good idea....


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 01:02 PM by jibeho
The devil is certainly in the details. Obama is desperate and he pulled out all of the stops in order to gain AARP and AMA support for this POS legislation.

The American Medical Association (AMA) was facing a 21 percent cut in physicians' reimbursements under the current law. Obama promised to kill the cut if they backed his bill. The cuts are the fruit of a law requiring annual 5 percent to 6 percent reductions in doctor reimbursements for treating Medicare patients. Bravely, each year Congress has rolled the cuts over, suspending them but not repealing them. So each year, the accumulated cuts threaten doctors. By now, they have risen to 21 percent. With this blackmail leverage, Obama compelled the AMA to support his bill...or else!


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# The AARP got a financial windfall in return for its support of the healthcare bill. Over the past decade, the AARP has morphed from an advocacy group to an insurance company (through its subsidiary company). It is one of the main suppliers of Medi-gap insurance, a high-cost, privately purchased coverage that picks up where Medicare leaves off. But President Bush-43 passed the Medicare Advantage program, which offered a subsidized, lower-cost alternative to Medi-gap. Under Medicare Advantage, the elderly get all the extra coverage they need plus coordinated, well-managed care, usually by the same physician. So more than 10 million seniors went with Medicare Advantage, cutting into AARP Medi-gap revenues.

Presto! Obama solved their problem. He eliminates subsidies for Medicare Advantage. The elderly will have to pay more for coverage under Medigap, but the AARP -- which supposedly represents them -- will make more money. (If this galls you, join the American Seniors Association, the alternative group; contact sbarton@americanseniors.org. This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .)

# The drug industry backed ObamaCare and, in return, got a 10-year limit of $80 billion on cuts in prescription drug costs. (A drop in the bucket of their almost $3 trillion projected cost over the next decade.) They also got administration assurances that it will continue to bar lower-cost Canadian drugs from coming into the U.S. All it had to do was put its formidable advertising budget at the disposal of the administration.

# Insurance companies got access to 40 million potential new customers. But when the Senate Finance Committee lowered the fine that would be imposed on those who don't buy insurance from $3,500 to $1,500, the insurance companies jumped ship and now oppose the bill, albeit for the worst of motives.

The only industry that refused to knuckle under was the medical device makers. They stood for principle and wouldn't go along with Obama's blackmail. So the Senate Finance Committee retaliated by imposing a tax on medical devices such as automated wheelchairs, pacemakers, arterial stents, prosthetic limbs, artificial knees and hips and other necessary accoutrements of healthcare.

So these endorsements are not freely given, but bought and paid for by an administration that is intent on passing its program at any cost.


www.newsmax.com...

It all makes sense now, doesn't it? For those who can't see it take off the Rose Colored Glasses long enough to realize that you have been hoodwinked and bamboozled.

For some reason these Whizbangs on the left are not afraid of 2010 repercussions. Makes you wonder....


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 01:27 PM by seagull
reply to post by Ahabstar



I see conflicts with the 4th, 8th and 9th and a very flagrant violation of the 10th Amendments in the text of the Bill.


It'll be interesting to see if the Supremes agree with your take on it... I do.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 01:28 PM by Battleline
reply to post by SpacePunk

By all means don't be a "Jackass"be the good little socialist Im sure you are.Don't distinguish a good program like the VA from total control of the masses like HC,a program that the politicians don't even want any part of while they have excellant HC already that we pay for.

If the choice is thinking for myself and telling the difference between a good program and socialist run program that enables the bloodsuckers that can't or won't take resposibility for themselves,then call me a Jackass.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 01:34 PM by arizonascott
reply to post by SharkBait



We need to take down every name of every man and woman in Washington who voted for this and make sure they are gone in the next election.

What they passed is the beginning of the end for our children and their future!

Generation Theft


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 01:46 PM by Ahabstar
reply to post by Battleline



Thing about the VA is that during the 70's and even 80's the VA was not a happy place to be by no stretch of the imagination. Things with the VA have vastly improved over the years. Even the charges of neglect recently (year or two ago---I know someone can't help me recall the specific hospital) they paled compared to how things were post-Vietnam.

I am glad of the improvements to the VA and I believe that veterans (especially those that served in combat eras) deserve to have free health care provided. It is the least that a grateful nation can do for those that served.

That said, look at the neighborhoods administered by HUD as Section 8 projects. I would hate to think I would need to carry a gun while inside a hospital for my own protection and the protection of others. Given the neighborhoods that hospitals are often found in, you kind of feel a need to get to the hospital.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 02:04 PM by Ahabstar
reply to post by seagull



Glad that you agree. Unfortunately I have little faith in the Supreme Court looking at this without a major court case to motivate them into any sort of action first. There is more than enough language in the Bill but I don't feel there is a Justice that would oppose the status quo by convening any sort of caucus or review on behalf of the People nor the Constitution they are supposed to guard.


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 02:22 PM by Janky Red
Originally posted by Battleline
reply to
post by SpacePunk

Don't be a self martering whiner,you can always go to emergancy room get taken care of and chump the bill.No one dies in America of lack of health care(although Im sure there are some stories out there).

Just ask the illegals how they do it,I have and the illegals can be very informative if your nice about how you ask.




Ya man, people with cancer and diabetes go to the emergency room and get taken care of for sure. Nobody dies because they roll up in that emergency room every morning and get their chemo

The things people justify with the thinest string of logic -

OOOPS

My kidney failed, I'm gonna go to the emergency room, I'll be right back....


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 03:12 PM by serendipitynow
www.telegram.com...

Lots of good info about the details of the HC Plan.

This is my first time attempting to post a link - let me know if I messed it up and how to correct it, please!


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 04:28 PM by sad_eyed_lady
Here's a link to the roll call for this vote:

clerk.house.gov...

Know if you representative is on your manure list.

[edit on 11/8/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 05:07 PM by Tyr Sog
Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by KarlG

Your so-called freedom is to be selfish, to be full of ill-will, to be violently stuck to your ways of "everyone live for himself, and care not for others".

To me, I see no statement. I see the passing of a law that allows me NOT to be selfish anymore. To watch as people around the country who have problems HAVE their problems ALLEVIATED.


To watch as about 28% of this country who already have personal income from government handouts get even more is not to have problems alleviated but is to create an even bigger problem.

You and people like you are crippling society by enabling them to be useless.

There are a small percentage of this country that need and deserve to be helped but most of the parasites in this country do so by choice and have no right to take money from hard working contributors to society in exchange for votes.

It may be legal to be an intentional leech on society but it is not right.

As far as being selfish, you are supporting the most selfish abuse of power imaginable. You don't learn to not be selfish by having your livelihood stolen by thieves.

You learn to be selfless by giving to and taking care of others by your own free will.

You, by your own admission aren't capable of not being selfish.

It seems you are the one who is truly selfish. You cannot see the true fault or will not acknowledge it but you will steal from others to assauge your own greed and guilt.


I just had to quote this because it's the absolute truth. You hit the ball out of the park with that response. It's sums up everything about his mentality and those that share the same views.

They're the ones who are selfish.

star..


reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 06:08 PM by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Tyr Sog



I absolutely agree and the only thing i can say about the whole mean and stingy thing, is yeah i work 40 hrs + a week so that i can provide for my family ... not for someone else who doesnt have enough initiative to provide for themselves... worst part is every paycheck i get is spent before it reaches the bank... If i have to pay for health care for me and my wife were screwed id lose my house... and without a legit place to live i will lose my job too... You can call me ill willed and evil and mean... but I don't support this bill because it would literally mean id be digging my own grave.
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