Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by Philalethes
Im posting like crazy in this thread, but I need answers....
How is a country supposed to provide health care for everybody without using taxes? It doesnt seem possible. People without money will not have health
care unless the government takes care of it. Unless Im missing something?
And how does this limit your freedom? I mean, Ive seen hundreds of laws passed in the name of fighting terrorism that totally rips your freedoms to
shreds. There is nothing left. This law doesnt seem to make a big difference to me?
It limits our freedom because they are FORCING us to buy insurance. In your country, you just get taxed. We will be both taxed AND have to buy an
insurance plan. If we fail to buy the insurance plan, we get fined. If we fail to pay the fine, we go to PRISON. Do you go to prison over healthcare
there?
The thing is, people here without money are usually "entitlement" people. They want everything handed to them so they do not have to fend for
themselves. They pay 0 taxes. They do nothing to help the collective "each other", but keep spouting it because it's what they have heard.
These are not people that want to work, these are people who think they do not HAVE to work. You work, you pay taxes, it all works out coolio.
Then we have illegal immigrants who steal jobs away from the people who do want them, because employers can pay them under the table. They pay 0
taxes, the company gets 2 or 3 times the employees at half the cost, and the people who live here legally and WANT the work can't find it. The
companies make more money because they do not have to pay unemployment insurance on the illegal employees, and so their profit margins is even
higher!
Then, when the illegals get hurt or sick, they go to the Emergency Rooms and lie about their names, and the huge bills again get foisted back to the
tax payers. This leaves us a huge section of the population that we pay and pay and pay for the contributes NOTHING to society, while at the same
time, robbing the citizens of their place in this country, further driving the unemployment rates higher, and further driving the debt of this country
higher while destroying peoples' morale.
Then! The illegals, in some cities now, if they get pulled over and do not have a drivers license? The municipalities do not even give them a ticket,
because they lie about their names, and they are impossible to track down to arrest or to make them pay the fines.
If an illegal causes an accident, chances are, he will walk. Some cities are now even refusing to impound their vehicles because they feel it takes an
already poor person and places them in deeper jeopardy, so now they have a free ride to kill people in drunken driven accidents and not have to have
auto insurance. Who exactly, are the victims here?
I can tell you that we will be taxed to death, to pay for all of these entitlement people, for what? It isn't about selfishness, it is about what is
right and wrong. The more things like this continue to get passed, the more people will give up and say "Well, Bob doesn't have to work. He has 4
kids and one on the way, and he has a free house, free food, and now free healthcare. I think I will now become like Bob, because this feels futile to
me. Wonder if that place up the street will pay me under the table too? I need some beer."
That's what is so wrong about this.
