Health Care- Now(Passed)

reply to post by HotSauce

Ha ha, Mr. Salsa, so you don't want to give up so easily. That's more like it.

I don't think it will be as chicken little as you want to portray this to be. In the end it still comes down to every American being able to get affordable heath insurance. That is all I want. How bout you?

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Seems to me, wtih this bill, financially, thier trying to destroy the middle class completely..per NWO agenda. Destroy the middle class, so theirs only poor and rich*

Only this: 5.4 higher tax surcharges for $500,000-income individuals, or $1 million cumulative income households will be implemented to fund healthcare programs.

reply to post by KarlG

OK, tell you what. Why don't all of you people who find fault with America and her politicians to either take a gun, shoot down EVERYONE on Capitol Hill, or maybe stage a violent protest, or MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.

As a citizen of this country you can find fault with it and voice your opinion. You do not have to pick up weapons to kill another human being. Moreover, you simply can’t move to another country if you have no infrastructure to help the transition.

Once you're in another country, you'll realize what an amazing place America is.

Yes, this country is amazing, but there are other countries on this planet that are amazing in their way.

Right now you're debating over whether or not you SHOULD have government-run healthcare when the government in question is noticeably one of the best in the world and one of the least corrupt?

The government being the best in the world and one of the least corrupt is a matter of opinion. I’m sure Chinese nationalist feel their country is the best on the planet. The Iraqi’s fighting against America probably feel their country is the best.

Do you know how many people in the world WISH they were in America and WISH they had healthcare and not profit-squeezing corporate beasts and an OPTION at least so their children and friends wouldn't die?

No because I never took a poll to ask them. However, I believe any person of reasonable intelligence would want the best for their children. However, is this healthcare package being offered the best for our children?

Unbelievable. Really unbelievable.

You may be content with the crumbs from masters table, but many people are not.

My happiness and enthusiasm for this passed bill has been sunk because I came onto ATS to hear more of what people would think... and it turns out, not in a good way.

That is your problem. ATS is home to many diverse peoples and opinions, and while you don’t have agree with them, you shouldn’t be so emotionally attached to the point where your happiness and enthusiasm is wreaked by posts. Again, the problem is yours, not ATS.

They keep talking....and talking...trying to convince you one side for another.

You narrow it down to its simplist form...

YOU KNOW what is right...

I can't stand these people trying to convince one over the other...

It's as if so many people have forgotten

This bill is just another hatch mark on the red baron...

reply to post by EMPIRE


Well I KNOW I am emotionally attached to my posts and it IS my fault... just that I thought more people would be expressing happiness and joy over this... and then I realized I'm on ATS.

Probably the wrong place to find people joyous and happy so I can share my joys with.



[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

They aint got more guns, we the people just need to make sure the military sides with us... If this comes to violence, the military will most likely do as they are told, until the order is to fire into a crowd of angry though peaceful protestors,
--Charles Marcello

There are laws against using the Military against the American people but these people are doing whatever they want so what's laws to them.

Originally posted by KarlG
OK, tell you what.

Why don't all of you people who find fault with America and her politicians to either take a gun, shoot down EVERYONE on Capitol Hill, or maybe stage a violent protest, or MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. Or maybe, as Empire puts it, exchange all money in your government-prying-so-they-can-take-your-money-to-fund-alien-exchange-programs bank accounts for tangibles so you can live under a rock in Australia... Uluru, maybe?

Once you're in another country, you'll realize what an amazing place America is. Right now you're debating over whether or not you SHOULD have government-run healthcare when the government in question is noticeably one of the best in the world and one of the least corrupt?

Do you know how many people in the world WISH they were in America and WISH they had healthcare and not profit-squeezing corporate beasts and an OPTION at least so their children and friends wouldn't die?

For those low income families, you now have the chance to BE FUNDED for healthcare!! You won't go to jail unless you blatantly say, "No. I am low income, proud of it, and I don't want to give my children vaccines and cures for their common pediatric illnesses." In which case WHY ARE YOU EVEN A PARENT? HotSauce, clearly, would choose to reject government healthcare up until his deathbed, so that's his issue.

For all of you who are worrying you might be thrown in because you can't pay, NO. That's what's changed now. If you can't pay, the government will pay for you. 5.4 higher tax surcharges for $500,000-income individuals, or $1 million cumulative income households. If you're earning that much money, why the heck should you even worry about not affording healthcare? You should be worrying about your karma, and this should really do some goodwill in your place.

Unbelievable. Really unbelievable.

My happiness and enthusiasm for this passed bill has been sunk because I came onto ATS to hear more of what people would think... and it turns out, not in a good way.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

MY ANGER over the passing of this bill is only tempered by the sadness that an AMERICAN believes that the government is a solution to anything! How very sad your statement makes me... You can be a government victim all you want, but I will be damned!


I can fight an insurance decision and/or I can change insurance companies... That is freedom! This socialized nonsense is forced compliance... OVER MY DEAD BODY! I will never bend to government... I live in peace because that is the life I want... If this crap is not stopped by the Senate... then on my soul... I will NOT live in chains! PERIOD!


Find a private solution, a capitalist solution... or leave it alone... anything short of that and I will not comply and I WILL FIGHT and not work and not rest until I and tens of millions of my fellow Americans guarantee our right to KEEP OUR FREEDOMS! I cannot bend to socialism... PERIOD!


And that scares me on so many levels but I cannot bend, I just can't... I hate it with every ounce of my soul... Please don't do this... please find a private solution... To those in the Senate.... please stop this... PLEASE! For all our sakes stop this!

--Charles Marcello



[edit on 8-11-2009 by littlebunny]

reply to post by littlebunny


You don't have to leave. Again, you can stay here or you can partake in other measures, however I will address a point you made. You said:

the military will most likely do as they are told, until the order is to fire into a crowd of angry though peaceful protestors, which I will be part of and won't go back to work until this socialist nonsense stops... I will do everything I can to stop this socialist take over cold!

The millitary and private millitary groups are prepared to do it. And if you don't think they are, you need to think again. Moreover, they do have more guns. This nation is the number one arms runner in the globe (something like 64% I believe), and thus control the supply and demand when it really matters. Now say SHTF, and it's a scenario of us vs them, if they see a group of revolters, who they wouldn't hesitate to label as terrorists congregating in one area, they have the option of sending in jets, planes, tanks, etc. Does the average citizen have access to such firepower? No.



[edit on 8-11-2009 by EMPIRE]

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by KarlG
OK, tell you what.

Why don't all of you people who find fault with America and her politicians to either take a gun, shoot down EVERYONE on Capitol Hill, or maybe stage a violent protest, or MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. Or maybe, as Empire puts it, exchange all money in your government-prying-so-they-can-take-your-money-to-fund-alien-exchange-programs bank accounts for tangibles so you can live under a rock in Australia... Uluru, maybe?

Once you're in another country, you'll realize what an amazing place America is. Right now you're debating over whether or not you SHOULD have government-run healthcare when the government in question is noticeably one of the best in the world and one of the least corrupt?

Do you know how many people in the world WISH they were in America and WISH they had healthcare and not profit-squeezing corporate beasts and an OPTION at least so their children and friends wouldn't die?

For those low income families, you now have the chance to BE FUNDED for healthcare!! You won't go to jail unless you blatantly say, "No. I am low income, proud of it, and I don't want to give my children vaccines and cures for their common pediatric illnesses." In which case WHY ARE YOU EVEN A PARENT? HotSauce, clearly, would choose to reject government healthcare up until his deathbed, so that's his issue.

For all of you who are worrying you might be thrown in because you can't pay, NO. That's what's changed now. If you can't pay, the government will pay for you. 5.4 higher tax surcharges for $500,000-income individuals, or $1 million cumulative income households. If you're earning that much money, why the heck should you even worry about not affording healthcare? You should be worrying about your karma, and this should really do some goodwill in your place.

Unbelievable. Really unbelievable.

My happiness and enthusiasm for this passed bill has been sunk because I came onto ATS to hear more of what people would think... and it turns out, not in a good way.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

MY ANGER over the passing of this bill is only tempered by the sadness that an AMERICAN believes that the government is a solution to anything! How very sad your statement makes me... You can be a government victim all you want, but I will be damned!


I can fight an insurance decision and/or I can change insurance companies... That is freedom! This socialized nonsense is forced compliance... OVER MY DEAD BODY! I will never bend to government... I live in peace because that is the life I want... If this crap is not stopped by the Senate... then on my soul... I will NOT live in chains! PERIOD!


Find a private solution, a capitalist solution... or leave it alone... anything short of that and I will not comply and I WILL FIGHT and not work and not rest until I and tens of millions of my fellow Americans guarantee or right to KEEP OUR FREEDOMS! I cannot bend to socialism... PERIOD!


And that scares me on so many levels but I cannot bend, I just can't... I hate it with every ounce of my soul... Please don't do this... please find a private solution... To those in the Senate.... please stop this... PLEASE! For all our sakes stop this!

--Charles Marcello

I'm PROUD of my country! I am American, and I am proud of where America is right now, progressive and strong. She may have tripped and stumbled over the past few years under flawed leadership which you may think was good, but she got right back up and now is back to glory in terms of giving her people the best! Is that a bad thing now, to be patriotic?

And one quick question: Who is "our"?

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

Originally posted by KarlG
reply to post by EMPIRE

 

Well I KNOW I am emotionally attached to my posts and it IS my fault... just that I thought more people would be expressing happiness and joy over this... and then I realized I'm on ATS.

Probably the wrong place to find people joyous and happy so I can share my joys with.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

thats right, you are on a site that DENIES ignorance, not eats it up like candy being passed out by the hands of socialist pig dogs...

dont you get it? its about the STATEMENT that our government is telling us what to buy, how to live, who and what we can do, so on and so forth.

we are no longer america the land of the free and the home of the brave.

and i risk my life every frikkin day for idiots like you to have the right to be an idiot.

but i suppose sometimes you just have to tie a sponge around a retards neck and let him drool

-now that i think about it, you sound more like a disinfo than an american. you make me absolutely sick-

I have an idea.


Freedom.


Oh wait..


No money in that

reply to post by KarlG


America is not back to her "glory" what are you talking about?

One more thing to add. If you are worried about the military then look at

this before you make your mind up! www.oathkeepers.org I have no

Idea how to link but thats the sight! God speed and good luck America.

Originally posted by wx4caster

Originally posted by KarlG
reply to post by EMPIRE

 

Well I KNOW I am emotionally attached to my posts and it IS my fault... just that I thought more people would be expressing happiness and joy over this... and then I realized I'm on ATS.

Probably the wrong place to find people joyous and happy so I can share my joys with.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

thats right, you are on a site that DENIES ignorance, not eats it up like candy being passed out by the hands of socialist pig dogs...

dont you get it? its about the STATEMENT that our government is telling us what to buy, how to live, who and what we can do, so on and so forth.

we are no longer america the land of the free and the home of the brave.

and i risk my life every frikkin day for idiots like you to have the right to be an idiot.

but i suppose sometimes you just have to tie a sponge around a retards neck and let him drool

-now that i think about it, you sound more like a disinfo than an american. you make me absolutely sick-

Trust me, you make me sick too.

Your so-called freedom is to be selfish, to be full of ill-will, to be violently stuck to your ways of "everyone live for himself, and care not for others".

To me, I see no statement. I see the passing of a law that allows me NOT to be selfish anymore. To watch as people around the country who have problems HAVE their problems ALLEVIATED.

The government is not telling you WHAT to buy, it's just telling you to buy insurance. And if you can't, you get federal subsidies to help you get it.

Insurance is NOT a bad thing, especially when I can pay for it at long last.

Why? Because healthcare is a merit good. Economically, healthcare is a social good that works for the benefit of the general society.

You want to buy insurance from Company A, B, C or the government? Take your pick.

You want to have meatloaf, burgers, General Tso's chicken, or pad thai for dinner? Take your pick.

When it comes to issues like healthcare, I'd rather HAVE it, and be able to PAY for it, than not have it, and flounder like a fish when I've got a massive injury or illness, and be mad at my government for letting me be "free".

Like I said before, wait until one day, something massively devastating hits you or your family. I'm not cursing you, please don't be mistaken, but you won't know how important this law is until you experience the consequences of not having it.

Right now you're not seeing the TANGIBLE good it can do, but only the damage to your values and detriments to your beliefs, blah blah...

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

OK. Im European. We have had this kind of health care forever and its something all of us think is a good thing. I can get sick tomorrow and stay home while getting almost full salary anyway. I dont need to worry.

Can someone explain why this is a bad thing for USA because I dont get it? Is it because you dont want to pay for someone else? Arent you forgetting that they will pay for you when you get sick as well?



[edit on 8-11-2009 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by EMPIRE

The millitary and private millitary groups are prepared to do it. And if you don't think they are, you need to think again. Moreover, they do have more guns. This nation is the number one arms runner in the globe (something like 64% I believe), and thus control the supply and demand when it reallys matter. Now say SHTF, and it's a scenario of us vs them, if they see a group of revolters, who they wouldn't hesitate to label as terrorists congregating in one area, they have the option of sending in jets, planes, tanks, etc. Does the average citizen have access to such firepower? No.

if that is true... and that is my future...

then to God I pray... "Please give me the strength of our founding fathers... the courage they showed, with the moral conviction of their righteous cause... to stand against such overwhelming odds... I pray that never leaves my heart and mind... as I will now stand firmly against socialism and this new age version of tyranny... Amen!!!"

--Charles Marcello

I don't know why they keep talking about doughnuts...

Seriously..

"closing the doughnut hole"


What does this mean?

Originally posted by Copernicus

OK. Im European. We have had this kind of health care forever and its something all of us think is a good thing. I can get sick tomorrow and stay home while getting almost full salary anyway. I dont need to worry.

Can someone explain why this is a bad thing for USA because I dont get it? Is it because you dont want to pay for someone else?

I don't get it either.

Like I said, they have to live in another country before they realize what the difference is, in a country WITH such a healthcare law, and WITHOUT.

Originally posted by Copernicus

OK. Im European. We have had this kind of health care forever and its something all of us think is a good thing. I can get sick tomorrow and stay home while getting almost full salary anyway. I dont need to worry.

Can someone explain why this is a bad thing for USA because I dont get it? Is it because you dont want to pay for someone else? Arent you forgetting that they will pay for you when you get sick as well?



[edit on 8-11-2009 by Copernicus]

As I said somewhere earlier up there: Healthcare is a merit good. It's a social aid. It's good, economically, for the society.

You, Copernicus, can probably understand my happiness and joy when this law was passed, having lived in Europe and Asian countries before.

Yet, when I come on ATS, "denying ignorance" being one thing, but being called blindly making people "sick" was another.

This is the case where the people who claim to be denying ignorance, is in fact being ignorant themselves.

Originally posted by KarlG
You, Copernicus, can probably understand my happiness and joy when this law was passed, having lived in Europe and Asian countries before.

Absolutely. This is one thing I think all humans on the planet should have. How can we live in societies together if we dont want to be there for each other?

Isnt it ironic how Americans fight across the sea for democracy to help people but up until this point has not helped the millions of poor people within their own borders? This is one law that will help those people. Finally.