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posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:25 AM
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I see it on the other side, health stock my rise on this news but insurance stocks also my fall. I also believe that the insurance companies will be lobbying like mad in the senate to turn this bill down, that is, if they want to survive.




posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:25 AM
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Does anyone know how much this helps the self-employed , who pay the entire cost of health care insurance themselves? It currently costs me $1900 a month for a midrange HMO plan for my wife and I. It really cuts into my income. I know that every other self-employed person is pretty much in the same boat. Where is the relief for us? (if any!)



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by KarlG
 




2) All big firms and employers above a certain amount of revenue per annum are now required to provide medical coverage for ALL employees, or face government hell.


Well kiss a bunch more American jobs goodbye. I bet the Chinese will be pleased with this. Even a little less competition for them. Helll, I am about ready just to hand them the keys. Well, not quite yet.


Well, yeah... but I find there are so many other GOOD outcomes. A lot of employees now DONT have medical coverage... and it's horrifying because they're being gainfully employed by this HUGE FIRM but because they're not high on the ladder, what they're being paid isn't enough to cover for insurance.

So instead of just subsidies, what these people need is some itty-bitty coverage from a company which can surely afford it, if they spend tens of thousands on "CORPORATE PARTIES".

Think about that, eh?



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by charlyv
Does anyone know how much this helps the self-employed , who pay the entire cost of health care insurance themselves? It currently costs me $1900 a month for a midrange HMO plan for my wife and I. It really cuts into my income. I know that every other self-employed person is pretty much in the same boat. Where is the relief for us? (if any!)


As in...??

Your question isn't clear. If you are currently only employing your wife, you don't need to pay for her. Your 'company' isn't above a certain amount of revenue per annum.

Your insurance will be subsidized if you earn like $4000 a month and have to pay $1900: just apply.

However if you own a multibillion dollar corporation...



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by HotSauce
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Hell I would rather not have health insurance and die from whatever disease catches up with me than be forced by my government to buy it against my will.


WHAT THE...

Are you serious?

Are you genuinely, honestly, truthfully, serious?

I mean, conspiracy theorist/independent/non-government-sheep aside, you really gotta consider OTHER factors...



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:31 AM
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You're looking at everything with socialist colored glasses. The "intended" benefit that some people think they will be receiving can be good and all, but the ACTUAL benefit is all for the lobbyists, politicians, nwo, zionists, etc.

Being FORCED to pay and if you don't, you're going to jail certainly isn't freedom.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Can you imagine hearing someone say.. "I went to jail because I couldn't buy health care"

wtf will my family and I do? I am seriously angry. My husband works his # off. I work at home. We have a child. We STILL cannot afford even basic insurance through his job.

We are going to be punished for being low income. There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

So, if I can't buy health care, and I need to go to a doctor, who is going to report me for not having obamacare? The doctor?

How many people will die now, scared to death of being in trouble for not having health care and going to jail?

This is America right? Did I go to sleep and wake up in the wrong damn country or what.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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I can't believe I'm hearing this..



This is incredible. And I don't mean in a good way.




THIS NEEDS TO STOP



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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I can't believe I'm hearing this..



This is incredible. And I don't mean in a good way.




THIS NEEDS TO STOP



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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I can read your obit now. Poor guy starved to death with his family, because they couldn't afford food because all the dollars they saved were worthless because the US economy totally collapsoed under its unconstitutional healthcare reform program.

Of course nobody wil get to read your obit because a newspaper will cost $400, either that or Obama will have them under his control.



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by KarlG

Originally posted by Philalethes

Originally posted by hoghead cheese
I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.


Hey ideas are greats but lets think this one out...They're already bankrupt and who would pay for it if its free thus further bankrupting it. How about those who have employer provided HC that's part of their paycheck? Those folks are now working for their HC and someone elses. That's the definition of Marxisim. We're capitalists, until today I think we're on our way to Socialism.

Phil


Higher taxes is one thing.

But read closer into this law before you start shooting your mouth off. The government-funded insurance, i.e. the public option, has higher starting premiums than private firms. I.e. if you WANT the public option you have to PAY for it. Thus the high taxes only go toward paying for the federal subsidies, which, if you had any ounces of goodwill in you, would realize that would help all the poor people in the poorer parts of the country to afford medical help and medicine they otherwise would be unable to afford, i.e. they will LIVE instead of DYING.

You know all that Christian goodwill that's being quoted in church? Let's start with SEEING the good in things first, how about that.


NO! You start stop shooting your mouth off by reading the ORIGINAL post and then my reply...Once you do you will see the post said nothing about this plan but some other simpler idea.

Geeze READ before flame!

Phil



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by KarlG

Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by Hal9000
 


Hell I would rather not have health insurance and die from whatever disease catches up with me than be forced by my government to buy it against my will.


WHAT THE...

Are you serious?

Are you genuinely, honestly, truthfully, serious?

I mean, conspiracy theorist/independent/non-government-sheep aside, you really gotta consider OTHER factors...



I can't speak for that person, but I can tell you with 100% certainty, I completely agree... I will agree to socialized healthcare... only over my DEAD BODY! Then the government can do what they want with it... Outside of that, government healthcare can go straight to HELL! …PERIOD!

--Charles Marcello



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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You're looking at everything with socialist colored glasses.


Are you talking about these?




posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by Asherah
Can you imagine hearing someone say.. "I went to jail because I couldn't buy health care"

wtf will my family and I do? I am seriously angry. My husband works his # off. I work at home. We have a child. We STILL cannot afford even basic insurance through his job.

We are going to be punished for being low income. There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

So, if I can't buy health care, and I need to go to a doctor, who is going to report me for not having obamacare? The doctor?

How many people will die now, scared to death of being in trouble for not having health care and going to jail?

This is America right? Did I go to sleep and wake up in the wrong damn country or what.


Two words: Federal grant.

Low income? Go apply!



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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I've given you very real solutions to the problem. You either revolt, leave or take whatever it is they give you. There are no other choices. You don't have to "revolt" by taking up arms. Our government understands two things and two things only: the gun and money. They have more guns, but they will bend when it comes to money. If you hit them in the pockets, like they've been hitting you, it sends a message. Withdraw all your money from the bank, invest in tangibles (gold, silver, hell even intellectual properties can be an investment) and go from there. A mass exodus of this sort will probably send some type of shockwave, but for how long? Eventually it may come down to an "us VS them" scenario, but it will actually be "us VS us" as the citizens will actually fight themselves and the government will clean up whoever is left. How many people will it take to pull it off? I don't think it's a numbers game but a who's who game. If you get the right person to promote it, or do it, the people may actually start to agree with it and go along with it. So it's really a matter of endorsing, just like everything else "successful" in this country is a matter of endorsing. I mean I can take my money out the bank and who would really notice? Shaq can do it and people will notice. Larry King can do it and people will notice.

In closing, the option to leave is one many will not be afforded, but the option to stay is one many will be forced to endure. Revolting doesn't always come in the form of a gun but may come in the form of protesting the polls, yanking your money out the bank, no longer supporting companies under CFR/TLC leadership/influence etc.



[edit on 8-11-2009 by EMPIRE]



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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Sir, I think we are in agreement...



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:51 AM
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OK, tell you what.

Why don't all of you people who find fault with America and her politicians to either take a gun, shoot down EVERYONE on Capitol Hill, or maybe stage a violent protest, or MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. Or maybe, as Empire puts it, exchange all money in your government-prying-so-they-can-take-your-money-to-fund-alien-exchange-programs bank accounts for tangibles so you can live under a rock in Australia... Uluru, maybe?

Once you're in another country, you'll realize what an amazing place America is. Right now you're debating over whether or not you SHOULD have government-run healthcare when the government in question is noticeably one of the best in the world and one of the least corrupt?

Do you know how many people in the world WISH they were in America and WISH they had healthcare and not profit-squeezing corporate beasts and an OPTION at least so their children and friends wouldn't die?

For those low income families, you now have the chance to BE FUNDED for healthcare!! You won't go to jail unless you blatantly say, "No. I am low income, proud of it, and I don't want to give my children vaccines and cures for their common pediatric illnesses." In which case WHY ARE YOU EVEN A PARENT? HotSauce, clearly, would choose to reject government healthcare up until his deathbed, so that's his issue.

For all of you who are worrying you might be thrown in because you can't pay, NO. That's what's changed now. If you can't pay, the government will pay for you. 5.4 higher tax surcharges for $500,000-income individuals, or $1 million cumulative income households. If you're earning that much money, why the heck should you even worry about not affording healthcare? You should be worrying about your karma, and this should really do some goodwill in your place.

Unbelievable. Really unbelievable.

My happiness and enthusiasm for this passed bill has been sunk because I came onto ATS to hear more of what people would think... and it turns out, not in a good way.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Philalethes
 


I've given you very real solutions to the problem. You either revolt, leave or take whatever it is they give you. There are no other choices. You don't have to "revolt" by taking up arms. Our government understands two things and two things only: the gun and money. They have more guns, but they will bend when it comes to money. If you hit them in the pockets, like they've been hitting you, it sends a message. Withdraw all your money from the bank, invest in tangibles (gold, silver, hell even intellectual properties can be an investment) and go from there. A mass exodus of this sort will probably send some type of shockwave, but for how long? Eventually it may come down to an "us VS them" scenario, but it will actually be "us VS us" as the citizens will actually fight themselves and the government will clean up whoever is left.

In closing, the option to leave is one many will not be afforded, but the option to stay is one many will be forced to endure.



Two things...

First I aint going no where... And two... They aint got more guns, we the people just need to make sure the military sides with us... If this comes to violence, the military will most likely do as they are told, until the order is to fire into a crowd of angry though peaceful protestors, which I will be part of and won't go back to work until this socialist nonsense stops... I will do everything I can to stop this socialist take over cold!

However... If those soldiers/police officers do fire into that crowd, that will only happen once... if I survive... I will never be an unarmed victim again, I can guaran-damn-tee you that.

--Charles Marcello



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:55 AM
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I can see the Federal application now...

1. Do you smoke
2. Are you over weight
3. Do you drink
4. add additonal freedoms here...

if yes to any above you are not qualified and need to fill out application for(new federal agency)...

Phil



posted on Nov, 8 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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Seems to me, wtih this bill, financially, thier trying to destroy the middle class completely..per NWO agenda. Destroy the middle class, so theirs only poor and rich*




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