Does anyone know how much this helps the self-employed , who pay the entire cost of health care insurance themselves? It currently costs me $1900 a month for a midrange HMO plan for my wife and I. It really cuts into my income. I know that every other self-employed person is pretty much in the same boat. Where is the relief for us? (if any!)

Originally posted by charlyv
Does anyone know how much this helps the self-employed , who pay the entire cost of health care insurance themselves? It currently costs me $1900 a month for a midrange HMO plan for my wife and I. It really cuts into my income. I know that every other self-employed person is pretty much in the same boat. Where is the relief for us? (if any!)

As in...??

Your question isn't clear. If you are currently only employing your wife, you don't need to pay for her. Your 'company' isn't above a certain amount of revenue per annum.

Your insurance will be subsidized if you earn like $4000 a month and have to pay $1900: just apply.

However if you own a multibillion dollar corporation...

Can you imagine hearing someone say.. "I went to jail because I couldn't buy health care"

wtf will my family and I do? I am seriously angry. My husband works his # off. I work at home. We have a child. We STILL cannot afford even basic insurance through his job.

We are going to be punished for being low income. There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

So, if I can't buy health care, and I need to go to a doctor, who is going to report me for not having obamacare? The doctor?

How many people will die now, scared to death of being in trouble for not having health care and going to jail?

This is America right? Did I go to sleep and wake up in the wrong damn country or what.

I can't believe I'm hearing this..



This is incredible. And I don't mean in a good way.




THIS NEEDS TO STOP

I can't believe I'm hearing this..



This is incredible. And I don't mean in a good way.




THIS NEEDS TO STOP

Originally posted by KarlG

Originally posted by Philalethes

Originally posted by hoghead cheese
I heard that they have a provision where the govt. will have access to your bank account. I got a strange feeling that They will increase our taxes to pay for this monster. Here's something they could do and not have to make a new system, give everybody that don't have insurance the ability to get medicare and medicade, and the govt. fully fund.

Hey ideas are greats but lets think this one out...They're already bankrupt and who would pay for it if its free thus further bankrupting it. How about those who have employer provided HC that's part of their paycheck? Those folks are now working for their HC and someone elses. That's the definition of Marxisim. We're capitalists, until today I think we're on our way to Socialism.

Phil

Higher taxes is one thing.

But read closer into this law before you start shooting your mouth off. The government-funded insurance, i.e. the public option, has higher starting premiums than private firms. I.e. if you WANT the public option you have to PAY for it. Thus the high taxes only go toward paying for the federal subsidies, which, if you had any ounces of goodwill in you, would realize that would help all the poor people in the poorer parts of the country to afford medical help and medicine they otherwise would be unable to afford, i.e. they will LIVE instead of DYING.

You know all that Christian goodwill that's being quoted in church? Let's start with SEEING the good in things first, how about that.

NO! You start stop shooting your mouth off by reading the ORIGINAL post and then my reply...Once you do you will see the post said nothing about this plan but some other simpler idea.

Geeze READ before flame!

Phil

Originally posted by Asherah
Can you imagine hearing someone say.. "I went to jail because I couldn't buy health care"

wtf will my family and I do? I am seriously angry. My husband works his # off. I work at home. We have a child. We STILL cannot afford even basic insurance through his job.

We are going to be punished for being low income. There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

So, if I can't buy health care, and I need to go to a doctor, who is going to report me for not having obamacare? The doctor?

How many people will die now, scared to death of being in trouble for not having health care and going to jail?

This is America right? Did I go to sleep and wake up in the wrong damn country or what.

Two words: Federal grant.

Low income? Go apply!

OK, tell you what.

Why don't all of you people who find fault with America and her politicians to either take a gun, shoot down EVERYONE on Capitol Hill, or maybe stage a violent protest, or MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. Or maybe, as Empire puts it, exchange all money in your government-prying-so-they-can-take-your-money-to-fund-alien-exchange-programs bank accounts for tangibles so you can live under a rock in Australia... Uluru, maybe?

Once you're in another country, you'll realize what an amazing place America is. Right now you're debating over whether or not you SHOULD have government-run healthcare when the government in question is noticeably one of the best in the world and one of the least corrupt?

Do you know how many people in the world WISH they were in America and WISH they had healthcare and not profit-squeezing corporate beasts and an OPTION at least so their children and friends wouldn't die?

For those low income families, you now have the chance to BE FUNDED for healthcare!! You won't go to jail unless you blatantly say, "No. I am low income, proud of it, and I don't want to give my children vaccines and cures for their common pediatric illnesses." In which case WHY ARE YOU EVEN A PARENT? HotSauce, clearly, would choose to reject government healthcare up until his deathbed, so that's his issue.

For all of you who are worrying you might be thrown in because you can't pay, NO. That's what's changed now. If you can't pay, the government will pay for you. 5.4 higher tax surcharges for $500,000-income individuals, or $1 million cumulative income households. If you're earning that much money, why the heck should you even worry about not affording healthcare? You should be worrying about your karma, and this should really do some goodwill in your place.

Unbelievable. Really unbelievable.

My happiness and enthusiasm for this passed bill has been sunk because I came onto ATS to hear more of what people would think... and it turns out, not in a good way.

[edit on 8-11-2009 by KarlG]

I can see the Federal application now...

1. Do you smoke
2. Are you over weight
3. Do you drink
4. add additonal freedoms here...

if yes to any above you are not qualified and need to fill out application for(new federal agency)...

Phil

Seems to me, wtih this bill, financially, thier trying to destroy the middle class completely..per NWO agenda. Destroy the middle class, so theirs only poor and rich*