the link to the source doesnt work

i would really like to know what he actually said on the matter and how he was goaded.

[edit on 7-11-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

These sorts of topics should not arrise in the first place at your work. He's not wrong for expressing his opinion, she isn't wrong for asking for it.

However they are both wrong for actually engaging in this kind of activity in a workplace setting.

Being PC is unfortunetly almost a necessity in today's workplace when you look a the ammount of different cultures and beliefs you interact with everyday.

I don't agree with it, I think we should eliminate PC and return to freedom of speech, but that can only happen when everybody isn't willing to kill each other over our enterpretation of God.

~Keeper

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
the link to the source doesnt work

i would really like to know what he actually said on the matter and how he was goaded.

[edit on 7-11-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

Thanks my man. It is all fixed now.

Just a few things in the article that I want to poing out.

"I see, like all real Christians, homosexuals as people who, like me, are sinners and need to be told the truth in a loving way," he said. "In this situation, I took issue with the behavior. I think it's lunacy to call that type of behavior marriage in any kind of form. I had to express that I'm intolerant of that behavior. It's a love-the-sinner, hate-the-sin kind of deal."

Well this is flat out just...silly. Nobody 'needs' to express anything.

He said he then left the store briefly to visit the airport's chapel before returning.

"I found it offensive that she repeatedly brought it up," Vidala said. "By the fourth time she mentioned it, I felt God wanted me to express how I felt about the matter, so I did. But my tone was downright apologetic. I said, 'Regarding your homosexuality, I think that's bad stuff.'"

If she did mention it four times, what was she looking for? Applause? He didn't approach it with much Tact either I suppose. It must be ok, since he probably asked God for permission..

"She knew how I felt about homosexuality," he said. "When you talk to someone about something like that, you want their support. She was kind of looking into my eyes for that social cue for me to say, 'I'm happy for you.' But I really couldn't feel happy for her."

So he states she "knew" about how he felt, yet the beginning of the article states this:

Brookstone store at Boston's Logan Airport after a conversation he had with a manager from another Brookstone store who was visiting the location.

She was just visiting, they could not have known each other that well. And I'm gay, but the first thing I bring up in a conversation is usually the weather when I meet new people, not who I am married to.

~Keeper





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[edit on 11/7/2009 by tothetenthpower]

The workplace is not the environment to push anyone's political or religious views. Honestly the guy had no business telling anyone his opinion on their relationship unless he was asked.

Most companies would handle that with a write up and perhaps some counseling on appropriate workplace practices. If he was fired instantly then he may have had a previous issue or write ups for something.

If he was fired with no previous discipline history the employer went too far.

Its really not hard to find a balance on these things. Religion needs to stay at home and in the church. The same thing goes for sexuality, it belongs at home, not in a parade on the street.

If we can't respect each other's rights and limit our own intrusions then no one will have any rights to anything when its done. We'll all be seeing this in the new hate crimes law in the years to come.

Actually, I misread the article.

If it's true she brought the matter up four times then I consider that asking for his opinion.

If he's going to be disciplined then she should have been also. In this case they're both wrong.

Having been a Christian my entire life I feel like it's OK to say that the whole thing about "Witnessing" to other people needs to be dropped. Save it for people who ask for it, not for anyone you "feel" needs it.

That concept always struck me as being a sin. Who are you to decide who needs correction from Jesus?

If its performed only by explicit invitation there will never be these kinds of issues.

its the chicks fault anyway.. don't solicit an opinion you don't want to hear.

"In this situation, I took issue with the behavior. I think it's lunacy to call that type of behavior marriage in any kind of form. I had to express that I'm intolerant of that behavior.

i could see why someone would take offense to that type of reaction.
im not sure how he was compelled.

"I did say I regard that lifestyle as deviant, as in deviating from the norm

ive never heard anyone use deviant as in 'deviating from the norm' outside of a sociology classroom. the connotation is important, deviant generally has a negative meaning to it.

Let's make an infinite list of allowable actions in every possible situation in every possible life so that there is no more chance of anyone ever getting their feelings hurt.

Originally posted by heyo
Let's make an infinite list of allowable actions in every possible situation in every possible life so that there is no more chance of anyone ever getting their feelings hurt.

They used to teach social grace as part of becoming an adult in society. There are rules for everything.

I don't know when it became so acceptable to be "course" as part of being American or "modern" but where I came from Moms teach their kids how to behave in public.

A lot of it is just common sense.

The minute you feel like you can speak a certain way to a group of people just because of who or what they are you might just be acting like a bigot.

You don't have to like them or what they do but you still treat everyone with respect and you probably won't have any problems like losing your job or getting your ass kicked in public by a gay man / woman.

That goes for the woman in question also. If you don't get an answer the first time you might want to assume they are trying to be polite and let it go (if she did indeed keep pushing the issue).

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Sad thing is that if he was fired for saying he was gay then he would be a millionare.

Since he was fired for saying he doesn't agree with gay marriage all he will become is broke.

It has zip to with free speech or PC.
It's a simple as respecting others beliefs.
Work is not a platform for people to express their religious beliefs.
As an employer I have the right to maintain a stable environment, I pay people to produce for my business , any intefrence in that makes somebody an unproductive employee, and I will terminate them.
Express your religion outside of my employment, it's not part of of your job description and I don't pay you to do that.
My business does not exist to further your self expression in any way , shape or form.