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How Effective is the H1N1 Vaccine?




Topic started on 6-11-2009 @ 02:14 PM by Angiras

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Ignoring for a moment all the toxic side effects that this vaccine can deliver, lets just consider how effective it might be at protecting you from the disease, in the best case scenario.

Here is the analysis, taken from articles.mercola.com...

How Effective is the H1N1 Vaccine, Really?

"Specific levels of HI antibody titers post-vaccination with inactivated influenza virus vaccine have not been correlated with protection from influenza virus. In some human studies, antibody titers of 1:40 or greater have been associated with protection from influenza illness in up to 50% of subjects."

You will find that paragraph in all the vaccine inserts.

What that paragraph says, is that the vaccine only works in half, or less, of those individuals who attain the specified level of seroconversion after vaccination. The FDA defines seroconversion as achieving an antibody titer of 1:40.

This means that if a vaccine was 100 percent effective at achieving this level of seroconversion, it would protect up to 50 percent of the recipients of the vaccine.

But none of the vaccines are 100 percent effective at achieving seroconversion.

CSL's vaccine insert, for example, (see pages 11-12), states that their H1N1 vaccine provides seroconversion for:

•48.7 percent of people aged 18-65
•34 percent for seniors, 65 and older
That means that, at best, their vaccine works in one out of every four people! (49 percent of 50 percent).

Which, of course, means that the vaccine does NOT work in three out of every four people…


Is it REALLY worth it?



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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 02:21 PM by C-JEAN


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Hi, Angiras.

Very effective. It "beats" the normal vaccine 1,000,000 to 1 !

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We will NOT get it !

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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 02:30 PM by fraterormus


If you run blind trials using a Placebo (sugar-water) against the Vaccination, you'll find that the Placebo effect has a greater rate of efficiency than the H1N1 Vaccine (which is the precise reason why you haven't seen results blind trial results for the H1N1 Vaccine).

It also makes findings such as Placebos Are Getting More Effective. Drugmakers Are Desperate to Know Why. all the more curious.

It would appear that either our ability to manipulate Mind over Matter is dramatically improving, or perhaps the Pharmaceutical companies are cutting costs by cutting corners to the point that their products have gone the same direction as Made in Taiwan and Made in America products have in the past 20 years.



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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 02:33 PM by juniperberry


Originally posted by fraterormus

It would appear that either our ability to manipulate Mind over Matter is dramatically improving, or perhaps the Pharmaceutical companies are cutting costs by cutting corners to the point that their products have gone the same direction as Made in Taiwan and Made in America products have in the past 20 years.




But wouldn't we still be seeing the efficacy of the product as people would still 'believe' it works?

If it's all about mind-over-matter, then both products should have the same success rate, unless there is something in the vaccine that's negating the placebo effect.



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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 02:42 PM by raiders247


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