a question for evolutionists

reply to post by OhZone

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Ok ok ok, it is not exactly an example of Evolution but it kind of is.

Evolution and natural selection select traits that are essential (or not so) for the continued survival of the species, sometimes creating a new species.

Thousands of variations come out, a few of them stick.

What we did with dogs is change their outer appearance through selective breeding. We basically accomplished a version of what we see in nature.

Yes they can still interbreed but so can different species in nature. (grizzly bears and polar bears. Tigers and Lions.)

It's not exactly the same, but the point came across

[edit on 16-11-2009 by IrnBruFiend]

reply to post by DaMod

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You are absolutely correct on evolution.
We will never see one single animal evolve.
DNA evidence proves this, you just won't be a mainstream scientist.
You'll get a wishy washy response to that because there is and never will be evidence to corroborate with Darwin's theory.

However, religion is another belief system imprisoning human intellect.
You should consider the Sumerian seven tablets of creation BEFORE the Bibile buthcered up events.
They had full knowledge of all the planets orbiting our sun long before we did.
They talk about the Annunaki coming down from the heavens, they would've been depicted as God's most certainly in those times. You can see this on the tablets.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by IrnBruFiend

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Well if you want to continue believing in evolution. You will have to also believe humans have this fused chromosome - that every single other primate does not have - is a mysterious result of nature. If you do your research on the chromosomes of humans and all other primates you will learn this is impossible. You will need to find a way of justifying this peculiar fusion in our band of chromosomes. And, that answer is entirely illusive.

However evolutionists enjoy an extremely large time scale to adjust their theory or wait for non-existent evidence.



Where? Tiny little spiders, frogs and geckos that were not known to us previously is not an example of evolution.

The answer is, there is no evidence.

Its not species that were not known previously. Its species that didnt exist before the speciation.

Observed instances of speciation:
www.talkorigins.org...

Here is the laboratory PROOF that speciation is possible:

"Dobzhansky and Pavlovsky (1971) reported a speciation event that occurred in a laboratory culture of Drosophila paulistorum sometime between 1958 and 1963. The culture was descended from a single inseminated female that was captured in the Llanos of Colombia. In 1958 this strain produced fertile hybrids when crossed with conspecifics of different strains from Orinocan. From 1963 onward crosses with Orinocan strains produced only sterile males. Initially no assortative mating or behavioral isolation was seen between the Llanos strain and the Orinocan strains. Later on Dobzhansky produced assortative mating (Dobzhansky 1972)."

If you think speciation cannot happen, then tell me, what synchronises the changes in the two isolated populations? And of course, explain the evidence..

It was in gradual point of time that Darwin and Mendel recoginised that germcells seperated and that they put forth the law of segregation and independent assortment to understand more about the transform of asexual reproduction to the sexual one.



Lemarcian and darwinian postulate states that every organism have a natural tendency to produce more offsprings and so fishes and frogs at that time where unable to do so.the urge for it gave them external fertilization often seen in frogs and fishes as the experiment indicates.



You are aware of the fact that we have infact evolved from apes.the growth of the umbilical chord was gradual and thet still then we had the same mechanics as that of an ape

Thanks
B???

Obviously there is.i will give you a small example
Two sub-population of beetles where separated by a large geographical feature like river or mountain.in the passage of time the gene flow was prevented becuse it was impossible for them to cross the mountain.So that in the passage of time they differentiated themselves giving rise to new adaptability capable sex organs.so if the other group of beetles meet also they cant mate because they may have chromosome change and many other factors hindering mating giving rise to a new species.

Genetics is a vast subject

Thanks
B???

OH! OH! OH! I know this one!

First, things reproduced asexually.

Example- Amoebas. They undergo mitosis and cytokinesis.

Then, organisms reproduced asexually AND sexually.

Example- Sponges release gametes into the water column (sexual). They either release sperm and filter it towards the ova and release offspring, or the sponges release both sperm and ova into the water column where they create planktonic larvae. Sponges ALSO can reproduce asexually by budding or creating gemmules!

Another example (my fave)- Cnidarians (jellyfish) reproduce sexually in the medusa stage, and asexually in the polyp stage! Yayyyyy!

Another- Some echinoderms can reproduce asexually through fission as well as sexually.

More complex organisms have evolved to only reproduce sexually, such as arthropods and vertebrates, except in cases of parthenogenesis.

And that is a true fact.

Love,
The zoology fairy.

Maslo, they are still flies aren't they.

Now if you will show me where they turn into ants or spiders you will have a convincing case.

reply to post by OhZone

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That is not what evolution is.

An existing organism cannot evolve into an already existing orgasm. Mutations lead it to evolve into something new. Not something that already exists, especially in a different phylum or class or family or anything like that.

reply to post by sirnex

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The fool says ,"There is no God" then comes death then judgement.
On that day every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess,
"Jesus Christ is Lord".
I believe in many cases the bible has been way ahead of mans
sciences. I will have to quote someone who I give my humble respects.
Though I have a number of years on him, his knowledge to this
topic greatly surpasses mine.

Agree to disagree
" From the book of " Fairytales and The invisible man"

It is fairly recent that science has found that the wind has weight?
( Job 28:25 ) When he imparted weight to the wind and meted out the waters by measure.

Man once believed the earth was held up by Atlas?
( Job 26:7 ) He spreads out the northern skies over empty space, and
suspends the earth over nothing.

Man once believed the earth was flat?
( Isaiah 40:22 ) He sits enthroned above the circle of earth, it's people as grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, spreading them like a tent
to live in.

It has been very recent that man even knew the Pleiades and Orion
were out there. Not to mention they are two gravitationally bound star systems.
( Job 38:31 ) Can you unbind the beautiful Pleiades, loose the chords of Orion?"

Just a few examples from just two different books.




[edit on 18-11-2009 by randyvs]

reply to post by randyvs

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Thank you for those kind words randyvs.

While I haven't read this entire thread I have read the last few pages to catch up on what exactly has been transpiring. There are many things that encompass the total package of "evolution". While one may dispute that evolution is simply what transpired after life already existed that is completely false. Evolutionary theory also pertains to stellar evolution and planetary evolution. To say otherwise is to concede that there was in fact a "guiding hand" that cooled the supposed-molten earth many years ago. Which, of course, leaves numerous questions unanswered.

I will get back to my point a little later in the day. As of right now I must leave. Thanks again randyvs.

The point is, they are a different species, unable to cross-reproduce and "synchronise", so its only a matter of time before they start to look different.. After reproductive isolation, its inevitable..