Unemployment rate hits 10.2% in October, page 5

reply to post by itguysrule

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I wish all of the politicians could get past the name calling, finger pointing and trying to pin blame on each other. Blaming George Bush doesn't fix the problems. Let's try to fix the problems now and let the historians fix blame at a later date.

You can not fix a problem until you understand exactly what CAUSED the problem. I saw this coming twenty years ago when the company I worked for go hit by a corporate raider and torn apart.

Of mergers and acquisitions each costing $1 million or more, there were just 10 in 1970; in 1980, there were 94; in 1986, there were 346. A third of such deals in the 1980's were hostile. The 1980's also saw a wave of giant leveraged buyouts. Mergers, acquisitions and L.B.O.'s, which had accounted for less than 5 percent of the profits of Wall Street brokerage houses in 1978, ballooned into an estimated 50 percent of profits by 1988...

THROUGH ALL THIS, THE HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP between product and paper has been turned upside down. Investment bankers no longer think of themselves as working for the corporations with which they do business. These days, corporations seem to exist for the investment bankers....

In fact, investment banks are replacing the publicly held industrial corporations as the largest and most powerful economic institutions in America....

THERE ARE SIGNS THAT A VICIOUS spiral has begun, as each corporate player seeks to improve its standard of living at the expense of another's. Corporate raiders transfer to themselves, and other shareholders, part of the income of employees by forcing the latter to agree to lower wages. - January 29, 1989 New York Times

Then in 1995 Clinton ratified the World Trade Organization and sent the rest of our industry over seas.

When Congress and Obama doubled the money supply in three months the first of this year and I knew we were doomed especially with the fractional banking multiplier effect.

If you read Secrets of the Federal Reserve you can see the corporate raiders of the eighties mirror the speculators of the roaring twenties, both funded by the bankers and the crash is the same, caused by the bankers with the bankers cleaning up all the wealth for pennies on the dollar.


The "bank bailouts" was a fairy tale. If a banker lends a $100,000 for a mortgage he actually lends between $0 and $3,000 dollars in real money , the rest is fairy dust. That money is repaid in three months then he collects $170,000 in interest on NOTHING. So someone explain how banks are "loosing " money when all they are loosing is fairy dust created by the stroke of a key. See A Talk by G. Edward Griffin Author of The Creature from Jekyll Island

Market Skeptics explains how "US banks are already operating free of any reserve constraints. The graph below shows reserve requirements falling to zero over the last fifty years."



The American public has been screwed and the politicians held a gun to our heads and allowed the bankers to ream us good. 100% of our taxes now go straight to the bankers to pay the interest on the loan of money, created out of nothing by the Federal Reserves counterfeiting checkbook. A checkbook without one red cent in it. The US treasury could have printed that same money with no interest but the politicians gave up those rights to the bankers in 1913 so now we are serfs of the bankers. The US treasury still prints the money but now we have to pay the bankers for the privilege.

Obama and Bush and no doubt most of the other Democrats and republicans are in the pockets of the banker/corporate cartel. THAT is the real problem. Harvard Business school grads have ruined every department or company where I have seen them at work. Skimp on raw materials, quality and maintenance, screw the workers - show a huge increase in profits and move on to the next company before the results of the cost cutting hit. (One plant had a plastics extruder blow up killing several thanks to skimped on maintenance)

My hubby ran into a new Economics grad who did not know a thing about the FED! Guess who has controlled the economics departments since 1910?

These fellows were not stupid. You have to give them credit. They didn't get to be where they were by being country bumpkins. They understood politics, they understood mass psychology and they played their cards exceedingly well. Meanwhile these same individuals out of their own pockets were paying the price for the costs of bringing up what they called grassroots study clubs all over the country. They sponsored these clubs and they held public meetings and printed brochures and pamphlets extolling the virtues of the Federal Reserve System. They gave large amounts of money to some of the better known universities in America; they created newly formed departments of economics with that money; they hand picked their own people to be the professors to head up those departments and then those professors with all of their academic credentials gave speeches and wrote scholarly essays extolling the virtues of the Federal Reserve System. And then at the insistence of Paul Warburg who was forever the master strategist, they added several very sound provisions to the Federal Reserve Bill. By that I mean they added some provisions which seriously restricted the ability of the Federal Reserve to create money out of nothing. Warburg's associates said, "Paul, what are you doing? We don't want those in there this is our bill." And his response was this, he said, "Relax fellas, don't you get it? Our object is to get the bill passed. We can fix it up later." Those were his exact words. "We can fix it up later." He was so right. It was because of those provisions that they won over the support of William Jennings Bryan the head of the Populist Movement, the last hold-out against the bill. Bryan was concerned that this would be an instrument for ruining the nation's money supply but when he saw those provisions he said, "Oh well, those are good provisions, I guess I can support the bill now" never dreaming that this was temporary. Everything is temporary in politics. When people go to sleep things can get changed. A Talk by G. Edward Griffin Author of The Creature from Jekyll Island

It was all planned folks and they have just about finished sucking the USA dry. "..In 1990,before WTO was ratified, Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP. By 2002 this had increased to over 70% of U.S. GDP..." www.fame.org...



This transformation was the result of organized plans developed by a group of highly powerful – though unelected – financial and industrial executives ... This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations. CED has influenced US domestic policies in much the same way that the CFR has influenced the nation’s foreign policies.

...Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn’t help but congratulate itself..." History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job


In Sept. 14, 1994 David Rockefeller, speaking at the UN Business Council.

"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."


In a speech on July 7, 2009 Al Gore proclaimed, “I bring you good news from the U.S....Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill...very much a step in the right direction....“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements.”

And David Rockefeller puts it even more bluntly while speaking at the Bilderberger meeting in June 1991 in Baden Baden

“The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”













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reply to post by crimvelvet

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I would like to add to this statement of yours.

The "bank bailouts" was a fairy tale. If a banker lends a $100,000 for a mortgage he actually lends between $0 and $3,000 dollars in real money , the rest is fairy dust. That money is repaid in three months then he collects $170,000 in interest on NOTHING. So someone explain how banks are "loosing " money when all they are loosing is fairy dust created by the stroke of a key.

It goes even further than that. Everybody is force to pay Mortgage Insurance that pays the bank if you don't. So how much do they loose again?

reply to post by David9176

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One word:

NAFTA.

Free trade my ass.

Where is a leader who is screaming against NAFTA? WHERE IS HE? Who in the hell stands up for American workers?

Anyone???? Anyone out there at all????

We need to demand a reform or a repeal of NAFTA now!!!

How about adding the World Trade Organization treaty. Bye the bye, YOUR state can nullify a treaty!!! It is called Nullification

The Constitution is not superceded by treaties.

HERE ARE THE CLEAR IRREFUTABLE FACTS: The U.S. Supreme Court has made it very clear that

1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.
2) Treaties cannot amend the Constitution. And last,
3) A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others. When you've read this thoroughly, hopefully, you will never again sit quietly by when someone -- anyone -- claims that treaties supercede the Constitution. Help to dispell this myth.

"This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.
This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution? Keep reading.

The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,
"... No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...’


"In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined."

Did you understand what the Supreme Court said here? No Executive Order, Presidential Directive, Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No question!


Assessing the GATT/WTO parasitic organism in light of this part of the Opinion, we see that it cannot attach itself to its host (our Republic or States) in the fashion the traitors in our government wish, without our acquiescing to it.
The Reid Court continues with its Opinion:

"This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which MUST comply with the Constitution, is on full parity with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null. It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument."

The U.S. Supreme court could not have made it more clear : TREATIES DO NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION, AND CANNOT, IN ANY FASHION, AMEND IT !!! CASE CLOSED.

Source ...www.sweetliberty.org...

We need to regain control of our states and push through the 10th Amendment Resolutions States CAN over rid idiotic Federal laws.

Sate nullification of the Real ID act is a case in point

REAL ID Act Led by Maine in early 2007, 25 states over the past 2 years have passed resolutions and binding laws denouncing and refusing the implement the Bush-era law which many expressed concerned about privacy, funding and more. While the law is still on the books in D.C., its implementation has been “delayed” numerous times in response to this massive state resistance, and in practice, is virtually null and void.

www.tenthamendmentcenter.com...

Our biggest problem is the The Commerce Clause

Enter Roscoe Filburn, an Ohio dairy and poultry farmer, who raised a small quantity of winter wheat — some to sell, some to feed his livestock, and some to consume. In 1940, under authority of the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the central government told Mr. Filburn that for the next year he would be limited to planting 11 acres of wheat and harvesting 20 bushels per acre. He harvested 12 acres over his allotment for consumption on his own property. When the government fined him, Mr. Filburn refused to pay.

Wickard v. Filburn got to the Supreme Court, and in 1942, the justices unanimously ruled against the farmer. The government claimed that if Mr. Filburn grew wheat for his own use, he would not be buying it — and that affected interstate commerce. It also argued that if the price of wheat rose, which is what the government wanted, Mr. Filburn might be tempted to sell his surplus wheat in the interstate market, thwarting the government's objective. The Supreme Court bought it


The Court's opinion must be quoted to be believed:
[The wheat] supplies a need of the man who grew it which would otherwise be reflected by purchases in the open market. Home-grown wheat in this sense competes with wheat in commerce.
As Epstein commented, "Could anyone say with a straight face that the consumption of home-grown wheat is 'commerce among the several states?'" ...

After Wickard , everything is mere detail....Under this maximum commerce power, the government has been free to regulate nearly everything... The Court has held that if Congress sees a connection to interstate commerce, it is not its role to second guess.

reply to post by chiron613

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There's no way to tell what effect the recovery package had. We simply don't know enough about economics to make any firm claims one way or the other. You can always claim that it averted an even worse tragedy; or you can claim that it is responsible for the tragedy we have already seen. There's no way to know which is which.

Horsepucky! It's called 'HISTORY' and it's there for us to learn from. Ever heard of the Depression of 1920? There's a reason why. The gov't stayed out of the way and the FREE Market corrected itself. Let's not be willfully ignorant, blaming things on the weather and our inability to figure it out.

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