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Topic started on 6-11-2009 @ 07:52 AM by FreezeM

Unemployment rate hits 10.2% in October


www.marketwatch.com
The U.S. unemployment rate climbed to 10.2% in October, topping the 10% mark for the first time in 26 years, the Labor Department reported Friday.

Nonfarm payrolls dropped by 190,000 in October, bringing to total number of jobs lost in the recession to 7.3 million. It was the 22nd straight decline in payrolls.

Large losses were seen in manufacturing, construction and retail. Health care and temporary-help agencies added jobs.
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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 08:05 AM by FreezeM
I'll just go ahead and awnser one of my own questions

From
recovery.gov
Q: How are recipients calculating the number of jobs created and saved?

A: Recipients calculate the number of jobs created or saved by taking the total number of Recovery Act funded hours worked in a quarter, and dividing it by the number of hours of a full-time schedule in a quarter as defined by the Recipient.

For example, if three of the recipient’s employees worked on Recovery funded projects for a total of 1300 hours in a given quarter, and the recipient defines a full time schedule as 520 hours per quarter (40 hours per week for 13 weeks), the Recipient would report that the “full-time equivalent” (FTE) of 2.5 jobs has been created or retained. (1300/520 = 2.5)


What's wrong with the above calculation is the assumption that if a employee would not have worked on a Recovery funded project, he/she would have been unemployed. But there is a very good change that person would have worked on a different project, for a real client, that would help that client improve business. The term 'saved or created' really only means 'sponsered'.



reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 08:09 AM by vor78
reply to post by FreezeM



The really dangerous indicator that came out this week is that productivity is increasing rapidly. Before someone thinks that sounds good, that means that businesses are getting more out of the workers they already have and will be less likely to hire moving forward.

This was looking very much like a jobless recovery, but if unemployment keeps rising at this rate, the prospect of any 'recovery' itself is in serious jeopardy.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 09:01 AM by j2000
reply to post by FreezeM



S and F

U 6 is not an alternative number, it is the real number that is what historical numbers are based, ie the great depression and the late 70's early 80's. People need to let the real number sink in.
That is over 53 million. More than several states put together. More than most small countries.
The International Bankers are winning and if we don't do something about it soon, this WILL be the last stand.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 09:13 AM by Crakeur
here's the scary part.

as the number of people out of work climbs, the number of people filing claims for unemployment benefits has dropped.

www.bloomberg.com...

the gov't is going to extend benefits. if we were in a recovery and people were going to be finding work again, why would they need to extend benefits?

because the economic recover is not as real as they'd like us to believe.

sure, the stock market has been doing rather well. companies are reporting good to great earnings. things must be better, right?
sure, unless you consider the decrease in expenses these companies have thanks to all those laid off workers. smaller salaries, smaller benefits, profits rise.

the drop in benefits and the rise in actual out of work people is a bad mix.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 09:25 AM by FreezeM
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hmm.... OECD is reporting Leading indicators. Leading indicators are indicators in economics and finance used to predict the future. So it's not recovery that has taken place. It is recovery that is expected based on collection of indicators.

What indicators are indexed differs per country. The component series for each country are selected based on various criteria such as economic significance; cyclical behaviour; data quality; timeliness and availability. You can find a list on the OECD site.

One of the indicator for the US is "Net new orders for durable goods". You remember the "cash for appliances" program? You think that made the new orders for durable goods rise?

Another indicator: NYSE Share prices

How about this one: Spread of interest rates !!!

So yes, the US economy is expected to grow because net orders for durable goods went up, stock prices went up and the spread of interest rates was huge. Don't you feel happy now? What was that? You're not a Wall street banker? Oh, I'm sorry... your economy actually is failing. And the cash for appliances program ended....


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 10:00 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Crakeur



Tell me about it, the reports on CNBC that they government is going to create 3 million jobs on temporary work with the economic stimulus doesn't make sense when the figures point out that we are to lose another 8 million jobs.

To tell you the truth we are in deep dodo, the government knows, but they keep bringing up the shady numbers of GDP, companies doing better than expected and nobody wants to point out that is incredible amounts of liquidity that were pumped into the markets in the last year.

The markets can not longer show the overall well being of the nation and the population, it only shows the disparity on the working class and those on the top.

My opinion and is just that, a nation that can not bring back its wealth builders is a nation that is doom to fail economically.

But it seems that doom is the desirable out come for some global agendas of the few.

But hey I am just a conspiracy believer nothing more.
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