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Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by sirnex
Well, i can give you my view on the topic. Basically, god = pure consciousness and all consciousness of the universe. Where as you are in a limited perspective(son), god would be that which knows all things(father). I can go into more detail.
But I have a follow up question.
What are/is "you"?
Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by sirnex
How do you define yourself. What are you?
Like, do you define yourself as your body? Your brain? Your mind? Your job?
Originally posted by sirnex
I define myself as an individual human living amongst the human species and other species that co-inhabit the planet Earth.
If your asking do I believe in the soul, no I don't and for very good reasons.
So you see yourself as flesh, or a body correct?
How can you be something that is a possesion? "Your" body? "Your" mind. And I'm not talking about a soul, because it's "your" soul.
If they are possessions, does that not suggest that something else possesses it?
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by badmedia
So you see yourself as flesh, or a body correct?
How can you be something that is a possesion? "Your" body? "Your" mind. And I'm not talking about a soul, because it's "your" soul.
If they are possessions, does that not suggest that something else possesses it?
Are you trying to separate the mind from the body as if it's a separate 'thing' capable of possessing the body?
Evidently, the logic behind the word play tactic is woefully faulty if you sit and think about it for a bit. For starters, your arguing as if what makes us who we are is a separate thing from our bodies that exists of it's own accord.
No, it doesn't suggest to me that something is capable of possessing my body at all. I don't view my body as a possession in the same regards as your trying to allude to. It's faulty logic and pointless word play.
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by badmedia
So you see yourself as flesh, or a body correct?
How can you be something that is a possesion? "Your" body? "Your" mind. And I'm not talking about a soul, because it's "your" soul.
If they are possessions, does that not suggest that something else possesses it?
Are you trying to separate the mind from the body as if it's a separate 'thing' capable of possessing the body?
Evidently, the logic behind the word play tactic is woefully faulty if you sit and think about it for a bit. For starters, your arguing as if what makes us who we are is a separate thing from our bodies that exists of it's own accord.
No, it doesn't suggest to me that something is capable of possessing my body at all. I don't view my body as a possession in the same regards as your trying to allude to. It's faulty logic and pointless word play.
Your brain uses your physical body to create consciousness and feelings...
but what/who actually experiences and feels?
You are the observer responding to the reality created by your mind...
Originally posted by sirnex
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by badmedia
So you see yourself as flesh, or a body correct?
How can you be something that is a possesion? "Your" body? "Your" mind. And I'm not talking about a soul, because it's "your" soul.
If they are possessions, does that not suggest that something else possesses it?
Are you trying to separate the mind from the body as if it's a separate 'thing' capable of possessing the body?
Evidently, the logic behind the word play tactic is woefully faulty if you sit and think about it for a bit. For starters, your arguing as if what makes us who we are is a separate thing from our bodies that exists of it's own accord.
No, it doesn't suggest to me that something is capable of possessing my body at all. I don't view my body as a possession in the same regards as your trying to allude to. It's faulty logic and pointless word play.
Your brain uses your physical body to create consciousness and feelings...
but what/who actually experiences and feels?
You are the observer responding to the reality created by your mind...
I see no evidence that there is some separate 'thing' outside of the brain/consciousness doing the observing. What your doing here is complicating something that is really quiet simple in my opinion. I believe that it is quiet obvious that we are our body, brain and consciousness and through these various systems of the human body we experience and act accordingly to different inputs received from the world around us. Reality isn't created by the mind, it's interpreted by the mind.
I wish I could explain it better, but for me it's obvious that there is no separate outside observer that is us.
If you were your body you would simply be a biological robot without any freewill...
What separates you from a robot or your flesh is that you feel.
You said "brain/consciousness" but consciousness is not even something that can be proven scientifically.
Consciousness is an abstract idea to explain our mind's relationship to the physical vehicle.
Your mind/soul/observing energy responds to the consciousness that is created by the brain.
You should really look into to psychological psychology and neuroscience because not only is it very interesting but it will give you a clearer perspective on the distinction between perceivable reality and physical reality.
So much of what we believe to be "us" is chemical reactions but on a physical level our pure consciousness is unexplainable.
We are able to see the variables and how we react to them but their is still a third factor involved outside of the brain and body.
The entity that experiences and feels the consciousness is the observer.
That is you.
Originally posted by sirnex
Are you trying to separate the mind from the body as if it's a separate 'thing' capable of possessing the body?
Evidently, the logic behind the word play tactic is woefully faulty if you sit and think about it for a bit. For starters, your arguing as if what makes us who we are is a separate thing from our bodies that exists of it's own accord.
No, it doesn't suggest to me that something is capable of possessing my body at all. I don't view my body as a possession in the same regards as your trying to allude to. It's faulty logic and pointless word play.
Originally posted by SS.Invictus
Oh yeah, the Ancient Greeks when they observed natural disasters, purely philosophical speaking, they said "It might be GOD"; that is not philosophy because philosophy will not tell you "this is how it is" but it will push to to say "this is how it should be or this is definitely NOT how it is".
Now if you are talking about religion's messages or philosophy that is a different matter.
There is a difference on what it is and what its Social Contribution is.
Ps: I have read the bible.
My argument is that your view on religion is purely aesthetic; You go back to the past, excavate all of those beautiful, divine moments of personal revelation, you hear again and again their apocalyptic rhetoric speeches and read about their sacrifices;
6For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Primarily, your view is Historically Romantic; stuck on how marvelous it was for it to exist, how breath-taking it was for it to survive and how mind-blowing it was for it to capture the eyes of the World.
Today, this is not the case. Thus, I condemn it on its current affairs and "exposion" to the Public.
Its organised crime.
Another profound discrepancy between Religion and Philosophy is that whenever you have a religious argument, its Alpha and Omega, its first word would be God and the rest follows; Philosophy has no Master; its Masterless.