Fort Hood Conspiracy

One report says he used a 5.7 Caliber pistol, mostly likely the FN 5.7, a pretty powerful handgun but typically only has 10 and 20 round mags, which only a handful of companies make, so I doubt there is some oober large capacity mag for the fn57
AP article

One reason why I think there is so much BS and misrepresentation is because of this from the same link: "The law enforcement official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing." and more importantly "...said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case."

Isn't that basically hearsay? Or saying this person may not know jack sh** but they gave us this quote? When they have all these random unidentified people saying what they saw or heard, there are bound to be misquotes and wrong information...one interview on FOX the lady said "someone told me this [random info about the shooting]" and FOX took it as a confirmed fact, I think all news agencies do this

Do not worry children, for dear leader tells us so...

"WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Friday the entire nation is grieving for those slain at Fort Hood, and he urged people not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officers investigate the shootings....The president promised that that his administration would update the nation as it learns more about what happened, and why, at Fort Hood."

Dear leader will tell us when it is all better and let us know what happened and what needs to be banned, taxed, regulated, etc. to make us feel safe again

news.yahoo.com...

reply to post by AnonymousMoose


5.7 caliber?!?! 5.7 caliber?!? Great Scott. 2.6 gigawatts?!?!



Just playing. I hadn't heard that report and I am glad to know someone can tell me that the 5.7 exists. My first reaction was one of not trusting but kudos to you for posting that.

I also completely agree that not including the names of those talking to reportes seems ripe for misunderstanding, lying, expanding on what really happen and overal, a less then accurate report. Did anyone except anything more from our MSM?

reply to post by Happyfeet


Am I the ONLY person on this planet that knows you can't trust news information on day one? LET IT BE KNOWN that all news agencies will put out a story, no matter how false it is, in order to increase ratings and get paid by advertisement companies. Almost 100% of all internet news articles are written HOPING you will read their article and click on at least ONE advertisement on that page even if the news information is false! Even this website you love called ATS does the same thing! It's all about money so before you start screaming conspiracy or screaming "it's a fact!", you really need to understand human behavior a lot more and understand that people are trying to make a buck and telling the news is just one of the ways people make money whether it's true news or false...

Conspiracy theory - you want a conspiracy theory. Well here it is, the most far out there conspiracy theory about the shooting at Ft. Hood.

1): George H. W. D. V. D. Bush, the head of THE BOX GANG working with the Clintons, had stored some or all of the stolen/diverted 1933 dollar currency Chinese currency boxes referenced in our reports dated 4th and 5th November 2009 at Fort Hood. These boxes form part of the Settlement negotiated with the Chinese parties, who were immediately double-crossed by the Americans.

Much more on this at FORT HOOD: RECOVERY OF THE CHINESE CURRENCY BOXES

reply to post by Happyfeet


The conspiracy if any at all is that this guy has been on the military's radar and throwing off all kinds of red alerts. Our military to some extent has had their hands tied by political correctness. There's probably a quota for having Muslim doctors on staff. "See, we're Islam friendly!"

Originally posted by Roadblockx
reply to post by AnonymousMoose

 

5.7 caliber?!?! 5.7 caliber?!? Great Scott. 2.6 gigawatts?!?!

Just playing. I hadn't heard that report and I am glad to know someone can tell me that the 5.7 exists. My first reaction was one of not trusting but kudos to you for posting that.

I also completely agree that not including the names of those talking to reportes seems ripe for misunderstanding, lying, expanding on what really happen and overal, a less then accurate report. Did anyone except anything more from our MSM?

Yea well, i think he means 5.7 mm which would be just above 22 cal, not an uncommon nato round but is a strange choice for a person wanting to do maximum damage with a pistol.

Most pistols are, of course 9mm, which is roughly 38 caliber, a very, very common round all over the US.
Then you have the 40 cal, which I have owned and it is a VERY good round in terms of accuracy, distance and stopping power.

I dont think it really matters what weapon he used, since he is a MAJOR in the US ARMY and should be very proficient in all US military weapons and know of most other weapons.

Most people dont realize that weapons arent carried around on a US military base on US soil, especially on a medical facility, so its no conspiracy that this guy was able to do what he did in such a short amount of time.

Hell, you can and HAVE had the same thing happen on a US base in a war zone, WITH friendlies armed.
TRUST IS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD!!!!!

The news report I saw said he was using an M16. Has the official line changed?

As for him being able to get ahold of a Five-seven as a lowly GI, I doubt it?

United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details.[2][45] Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams[12] such as Passaic County, New Jersey[46] and Duluth, Georgia.[47] It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.[48]

That's a known list of 5-7 operators in the US. As far as I know Army and special ops dont use the thing because it's just a specialist pistol designed for piercing armor. Same as most of the stuff that FN produces, it's all niche stuff that ends up being used by police and SWAT type units.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

Since the early 1960's, certain events have given the public this overall message...

you are not safe at any time, wherever you are, and no matter how much "security" you think surrounds you.

That being the overall message, my hunch is that most (if not all) of these "lone gunman" situations have manchurian candidate, mind control, undercurrents.

All the various misinformation "facts" coming out of the base and from MSM just keep reinforcing the theme "lone nut."

Conspiracy? Too early to tell, but whenever they start selling an incident as "lone nut," my advice is to keep an open mind to the possibility of a black ops conspiracy.

If some conspirators in the grand scheme of things want all Americans to think "I am not safe anywhere at any time," they are doing a powerful job instilling that message.

Perhaps TPTB will come up with some new "Patriot Act" to take away more rights and increase control and surveillance of Average Joe American.

Ever since TPTB put the spin out in 1963 that Oswald, a lone nut, acted alone (which is baloney)... I have been very wary of accepting any lone nut incident as "fact."

A Major doing this? Hard to believe. A psychiatrist and PTSD specialist doing this? Hard to believe. People and vehicles entering the base are not checked for weapons? Really?

Originally posted by Lazyninja
The news report I saw said he was using an M16. Has the official line changed?

As for him being able to get ahold of a Five-seven as a lowly GI, I doubt it?

United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details.[2][45] Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams[12] such as Passaic County, New Jersey[46] and Duluth, Georgia.[47] It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.[48]

That's a known list of 5-7 operators in the US. As far as I know Army and special ops dont use the thing because it's just a specialist pistol designed for piercing armor. Same as most of the stuff that FN produces, it's all niche stuff that ends up being used by police and SWAT type units.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

He was a Major, not a lowly GI but his rank/rate doesnt matter, since most weapons are legal for personal use in Texas.

Here are my two cents on the conspiracy:

1) When researching this guy last night, I found on vitals.org his MD listing with 15 years of professional experience, having been schooled at a medical school in Damascus, Syria. Now today, somebody has changed this information and it says he has only had two years of experience, and only US schools are listed. But you can still find shreds of this evidence if you search hard. Hurry and search for it before it is taken away!

2) This is purely speculation, and probably bull. But I must say...have you checked his name backwards? It spells out LADIN KILAM, and this massacre took place near Killeen. Just saying.

Thats IT, thats what theyre going to use to screw us... He didnt use a military weapon, he uses PERSONAL WEAPONS!
This isnt a muslim angle, he was just a fall guy, its a gun rights issue... wait and watch.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s


Yea well, i think he means 5.7 mm which would be just above 22 cal, not an uncommon nato round but is a strange choice for a person wanting to do maximum damage with a pistol.

Most pistols are, of course 9mm, which is roughly 38 caliber, a very, very common round all over the US.
Then you have the 40 cal, which I have owned and it is a VERY good round in terms of accuracy, distance and stopping power.

I'm not sure if it is a strange choice. The standard magazine capacity for a Five seveN is 20 rounds. (According to this article, mag extensions are available, bringing the capacity to 30 rounds . Meaning in one reload, 60 rounds can be fired) If he was going max casualties (not necessary deaths, but injuries as well), that pistol would be perfect.

One quote from wikipedia on the SS190 round:
"One of the design intents of the SS190 variant of this cartridge (not sporting variants) was that it have the ability to penetrate Kevlar protection vests such as the NATO CRISAT vest.[16] The SS190 variant is claimed to do this successfully at a range of 200 meters.[16" (Of course that distance is probobly with the p90)


[edit on 6-11-2009 by CnawNM]

I do not know the full story of what really happened at Fort Hood , of the man's real motivations. Feelings of betrayal , mental breakdown or the global jihad , that so many in the west deny to themselves and their children's at their own detriment ; because it will be your children who will either have to fight or be forced to convert. Whatever the cause this is tragic , my heart goes out to all who lost their loved ones.

I will caution you to be very careful of lying politicians , an army that has no clear strategy or leadership to win a war against a people who are still living in semi-industrial conditions let alone know that men have breaking points and are not disposable and last but not least that we have two enemies , the NWO and the ISLAMIC JIHAD in all it's forms be they political , terrorist or through the womb. Do not be deceived.

The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance not eternal denial.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s

Originally posted by Lazyninja
The news report I saw said he was using an M16. Has the official line changed?

As for him being able to get ahold of a Five-seven as a lowly GI, I doubt it?

United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details.[2][45] Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams[12] such as Passaic County, New Jersey[46] and Duluth, Georgia.[47] It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.[48]

That's a known list of 5-7 operators in the US. As far as I know Army and special ops dont use the thing because it's just a specialist pistol designed for piercing armor. Same as most of the stuff that FN produces, it's all niche stuff that ends up being used by police and SWAT type units.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

He was a Major, not a lowly GI but his rank/rate doesnt matter, since most weapons are legal for personal use in Texas.

Good point. Well at the moment the place is a crime scene, and for whatever reason forensics are going over it with a fine tooth comb and digging bullets out of the walls. We wont hear the official word about what weapons he used until they're finished I guess?

I don't think there's a conspiracy here. If they say he managed to kill and wound that many people with a handgun then yeah I can see a slight coverup there, but I doubt it. The coverup if it happens will not be a major one, just a small lie about the types of weapons he used, to prevent a knee jerk reaction that could cause more problems than it will solve.

I think the talk about the pistol is conspiracy theorists clutching at straws. He used a carbine, and wouldn't be surprised if he ended up running out of ammo and resorting to his pistol afterwards. This does not mean there is a coverup because two different reports, report him as using two different weapons.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

reply to post by Happyfeet
I think there are a lot of people jumping to conclusions. Since the official report and analysis is in the process, anything you hear in the media is only preliminary.

At this point in time, I will hold off judgment. Until we get the final word on this incident, I don't think anyone can draw any conclusions.

I am a little surprised about this thread.



[edit on 6-11-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by CnawNM

Originally posted by Kr0n0s


Yea well, i think he means 5.7 mm which would be just above 22 cal, not an uncommon nato round but is a strange choice for a person wanting to do maximum damage with a pistol.

Most pistols are, of course 9mm, which is roughly 38 caliber, a very, very common round all over the US.
Then you have the 40 cal, which I have owned and it is a VERY good round in terms of accuracy, distance and stopping power.

I'm not sure if it is a strange choice. The standard magazine capacity for a Five seveN is 20 rounds. (According to this article, mag extensions are available, bringing the capacity to 30 rounds . Meaning in one reload, 60 rounds can be fired) If he was going max casualties (not necessary deaths, but injuries as well), that pistol would be perfect.

One quote from wikipedia on the SS190 round:
"One of the design intents of the SS190 variant of this cartridge (not sporting variants) was that it have the ability to penetrate Kevlar protection vests such as the NATO CRISAT vest.[16] The SS190 variant is claimed to do this successfully at a range of 200 meters.[16" (Of course that distance is probobly with the p90)

Yea, a 5.7mm is a common assault rifle round, including the AWESOME P90 rifle used by the SGC but it is not a common round for a pistol thats used in these types of attacks.

When comparing caliber, you also have to look at length, IE 7.62X39, wich is the AK 47 round, which is about .38 cal by 39mm length (an awesome round), since ive owned an SKS before.
most .22 cal pistol rounds in the US arent that powerful.

reply to post by Demetre


I wouldn't bother trying to gain any sympathy from that poster, unless you are a child rapist or molester. He feverishly defends them in any thread about them. Everybody else is brainwashed by TPTB, according to him.

Glad you're feeling better.

On topic, this was one of the biggest messes i've seen in regards to reporting, and people's understanding of the situation there. So many ask how he was able to carry this out on a military base, even though it's been stated so many times that they are not armed on the base. I believe only the MP's are armed, but i could be wrong. Also, it seems if he were this disgruntled about being deployed, he would try and go for some sort of discharge. His religion seems to be somewhat up in the air, but it doesn't seem that he's been an extremist for very long if he is an extremist. Alot doesn't add up, i think we need more info before drawing conclusions.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by 27jd]

I cant and wont read EVERY comment in the threads but does any find it interesting/strange that there was a an attack in this area during the Clinton Admin?

Remember, the Luby Cafeteria attack in this area and WHO THE HELL CAN FORGET the Branch Davidian invasion in Waco?

Weird that similar attacks happen in the same place during similar admins.

OMG please tell me some of you are kidding? I can’t take some of the comments anymore!!

Where did the guy get the guns? He bought them on his own outside of the military. It is usually way easier for military personnel to buy fire arms you know.

They say he fired 200+ rounds? Ok I go to the gun range and fire somewhere around 500 rounds each time. Usually not there for very long either. If this guy had more magazines ready loaded then this is nothing. I’m surprised there wasn’t even more rounds fired.

How did he get the guns on the base? Easy he was a MAJOR. They don’t check cars coming onto the base all the time. if its an officer they have it even easier. They normally only do this when they are at the highest level of security.

How could someone do this while there are 40,000+ military personnel around? You’re kidding right? do you think that all military personnel walk around armed 24/7? These soldiers were getting ready to ship out (filling out paper work, making sure their wills and life insurance was correct). So basically not paying attention to what’s going on around them. Bullets start flying its going to take a few moments for them to react and figure out where the shots are coming from. if the room they were in was small it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


Him being in the military really has no bearing on this what so ever. look at how many people died at Virginia Tech. that guy wasn’t in the military and had no military training. Bet that was some conspiracy as well to get rid of the nasty college students.

Ok I’ve said my piece now let those of you who try to pick this apart do your best and have fun.