The news report I saw said he was using an M16. Has the official line changed?

As for him being able to get ahold of a Five-seven as a lowly GI, I doubt it?

United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details.[2][45] Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams[12] such as Passaic County, New Jersey[46] and Duluth, Georgia.[47] It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.[48]

That's a known list of 5-7 operators in the US. As far as I know Army and special ops dont use the thing because it's just a specialist pistol designed for piercing armor. Same as most of the stuff that FN produces, it's all niche stuff that ends up being used by police and SWAT type units.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

Since the early 1960's, certain events have given the public this overall message...

you are not safe at any time, wherever you are, and no matter how much "security" you think surrounds you.

That being the overall message, my hunch is that most (if not all) of these "lone gunman" situations have manchurian candidate, mind control, undercurrents.

All the various misinformation "facts" coming out of the base and from MSM just keep reinforcing the theme "lone nut."

Conspiracy? Too early to tell, but whenever they start selling an incident as "lone nut," my advice is to keep an open mind to the possibility of a black ops conspiracy.

If some conspirators in the grand scheme of things want all Americans to think "I am not safe anywhere at any time," they are doing a powerful job instilling that message.

Perhaps TPTB will come up with some new "Patriot Act" to take away more rights and increase control and surveillance of Average Joe American.

Ever since TPTB put the spin out in 1963 that Oswald, a lone nut, acted alone (which is baloney)... I have been very wary of accepting any lone nut incident as "fact."

A Major doing this? Hard to believe. A psychiatrist and PTSD specialist doing this? Hard to believe. People and vehicles entering the base are not checked for weapons? Really?

Originally posted by Lazyninja
The news report I saw said he was using an M16. Has the official line changed?

As for him being able to get ahold of a Five-seven as a lowly GI, I doubt it?

United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details.[2][45] Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams[12] such as Passaic County, New Jersey[46] and Duluth, Georgia.[47] It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.[48]

That's a known list of 5-7 operators in the US. As far as I know Army and special ops dont use the thing because it's just a specialist pistol designed for piercing armor. Same as most of the stuff that FN produces, it's all niche stuff that ends up being used by police and SWAT type units.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

He was a Major, not a lowly GI but his rank/rate doesnt matter, since most weapons are legal for personal use in Texas.

Here are my two cents on the conspiracy:

1) When researching this guy last night, I found on vitals.org his MD listing with 15 years of professional experience, having been schooled at a medical school in Damascus, Syria. Now today, somebody has changed this information and it says he has only had two years of experience, and only US schools are listed. But you can still find shreds of this evidence if you search hard. Hurry and search for it before it is taken away!

2) This is purely speculation, and probably bull. But I must say...have you checked his name backwards? It spells out LADIN KILAM, and this massacre took place near Killeen. Just saying.

Thats IT, thats what theyre going to use to screw us... He didnt use a military weapon, he uses PERSONAL WEAPONS!
This isnt a muslim angle, he was just a fall guy, its a gun rights issue... wait and watch.

I do not know the full story of what really happened at Fort Hood , of the man's real motivations. Feelings of betrayal , mental breakdown or the global jihad , that so many in the west deny to themselves and their children's at their own detriment ; because it will be your children who will either have to fight or be forced to convert. Whatever the cause this is tragic , my heart goes out to all who lost their loved ones.

I will caution you to be very careful of lying politicians , an army that has no clear strategy or leadership to win a war against a people who are still living in semi-industrial conditions let alone know that men have breaking points and are not disposable and last but not least that we have two enemies , the NWO and the ISLAMIC JIHAD in all it's forms be they political , terrorist or through the womb. Do not be deceived.

The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance not eternal denial.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s

Originally posted by Lazyninja
The news report I saw said he was using an M16. Has the official line changed?

As for him being able to get ahold of a Five-seven as a lowly GI, I doubt it?

United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details.[2][45] Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams[12] such as Passaic County, New Jersey[46] and Duluth, Georgia.[47] It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.[48]

That's a known list of 5-7 operators in the US. As far as I know Army and special ops dont use the thing because it's just a specialist pistol designed for piercing armor. Same as most of the stuff that FN produces, it's all niche stuff that ends up being used by police and SWAT type units.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

He was a Major, not a lowly GI but his rank/rate doesnt matter, since most weapons are legal for personal use in Texas.

Good point. Well at the moment the place is a crime scene, and for whatever reason forensics are going over it with a fine tooth comb and digging bullets out of the walls. We wont hear the official word about what weapons he used until they're finished I guess?

I don't think there's a conspiracy here. If they say he managed to kill and wound that many people with a handgun then yeah I can see a slight coverup there, but I doubt it. The coverup if it happens will not be a major one, just a small lie about the types of weapons he used, to prevent a knee jerk reaction that could cause more problems than it will solve.

I think the talk about the pistol is conspiracy theorists clutching at straws. He used a carbine, and wouldn't be surprised if he ended up running out of ammo and resorting to his pistol afterwards. This does not mean there is a coverup because two different reports, report him as using two different weapons.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Lazyninja]

I cant and wont read EVERY comment in the threads but does any find it interesting/strange that there was a an attack in this area during the Clinton Admin?

Remember, the Luby Cafeteria attack in this area and WHO THE HELL CAN FORGET the Branch Davidian invasion in Waco?

Weird that similar attacks happen in the same place during similar admins.

OMG please tell me some of you are kidding? I can’t take some of the comments anymore!!

Where did the guy get the guns? He bought them on his own outside of the military. It is usually way easier for military personnel to buy fire arms you know.

They say he fired 200+ rounds? Ok I go to the gun range and fire somewhere around 500 rounds each time. Usually not there for very long either. If this guy had more magazines ready loaded then this is nothing. I’m surprised there wasn’t even more rounds fired.

How did he get the guns on the base? Easy he was a MAJOR. They don’t check cars coming onto the base all the time. if its an officer they have it even easier. They normally only do this when they are at the highest level of security.

How could someone do this while there are 40,000+ military personnel around? You’re kidding right? do you think that all military personnel walk around armed 24/7? These soldiers were getting ready to ship out (filling out paper work, making sure their wills and life insurance was correct). So basically not paying attention to what’s going on around them. Bullets start flying its going to take a few moments for them to react and figure out where the shots are coming from. if the room they were in was small it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


Him being in the military really has no bearing on this what so ever. look at how many people died at Virginia Tech. that guy wasn’t in the military and had no military training. Bet that was some conspiracy as well to get rid of the nasty college students.

Ok I’ve said my piece now let those of you who try to pick this apart do your best and have fun.