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Fort Hood Conspiracy

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posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:09 AM
I don't know whether there was a grand conspiracy, but something definately doesn't smell right here. The 2 pistols thing, first the shooters dead now he's not. First there's 3 shooters, then 2, then 1. And now there are questions as to the possibility of friendly fire. Makes me wonder if LEO just started taking shots at anyone armed who looked "ethnic" or less than white.
As far as the mind control thing, I heard I think on CNN this morning, they were talking about him and I think they said he attended Virginia Tech or lived near there. Wasn't there a story about the Virginia Tech shooter sometime ago that talked about the possibilty of a Manchurian Candidate kind of situation? I think it was pointed out that there is a CIA or some other agency mind control project based near Virginia Tech. Does any of that ring a bell to anyone?

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:10 AM
Coincidence that just as someone mentions a source quoting this possible attack a day prior, the ATS board shuts down the post for 2 hours.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:11 AM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:19 AM
reply to post by Jesus H Christ

Jesus H Christ!... Do you even know what website your on.... If your tired of conspiracy on the site I think you need to move to something like cosmo or something. If not... something insightful might be nice. I see the reason why this stinks to holy hell.

Many media outlets say this guy was crazy, when it was thought he was dead. The second they found out he was alive they changed their tone of reporting on him. There lots of these incidences that happen through out the US. Former US Vets return to the world and are redeployed two or three times. Many times they do no want to return to the war and sometimes commit suicide or craft their deaths in other way like suicide by police officer. They are commited to a mental wards, and months later called sane and are ready for redployment. Recent new reports say that he posted on sites saying suicided bombers we akin to men who throw themsleves on grenades. I can see the logic in this, who is more barbaric?? Anyone familiar with Operation Ajax, where in the CIA was part of machine gunning crowds, blowing up schools and hospitals. As a physchiatrist I can only imagine what soldiers told him, things like soldiers raping women children and men, torturing children and women with batons dipped in acid or using bugs on women and the old.... WHO IS MORE BARBARIC???

The Virginia Tech shooter used .22's, I can imagine he feigned like he was just a regular student trying to escape which allowed him to get close to his victims. And being a really good shot helped to. But like the original post stated 200 rounds from two pistols and 44 people injured or killed. On a base full of soldiers who are trained to respond to exactly this kind of scenario. He would have had to change mags so often, how could you not hear the shots, or see him reloading or dead or injured on the ground??? Or were the people responding to the shooter wading through all the red tape to get firearms to combat this person. Either way the Bravo Sierra is going off. Maybe the Swine Flu has plugged your nasal cavity!

What I dont understand from some on this site is, everone tries to confirm news or info by the same media outlets they condemn for not telling the whole truth???? And some how think they are going to unlock the secrets of the unvierse from a bubble gum wrapper? Unless of course it a science based theory, then like all science it is just a theory or what amounts to a "best guess". Or literally shooting someone into the dirt for a new science theory because it goes against the gain of tradtional or "proven" theories. have you already forgotten that at one time the best scientist thought the Earth was flat, and the Earth was the center of the universe. I thought this site was for the discussion of thought provoking topics.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:22 AM
The guy was muslim, that means he is a sneaky terrorist!


But on a serious note. This guy is definitely a patsy. Coverup/distraction/or something else, but the guy didn't shoot people for fun or out of mental illness.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:28 AM
im actually here at fort hood, drove by when it happened... pretty crazy how # can hit the fan quick lol... post was closed down till about 730...

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:28 AM
The Muslim Brotherhood and Fort Hood – by Jamie Glazov

The Muslim Brotherhood and Fort Hood – by Jamie Glazov

Jamie Glazov Posted by Jamie Glazov on Nov 6th, 2009 and filed under FrontPage. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry
Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev’s Soviet Union and is the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz’s Left Illusions. His new book is United in Hate: The Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror. Email him at
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Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian (1811) Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003. He is the owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing. He is currently conducting a 50 State Counter-terrorism Research Tour (CTRT). He is the co-author (with Paul Sperry) of the new book, Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America. He can be contacted at

FP: Dave Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

A terrible tragedy occurred yesterday at Ft. Hood, Texas. Because you are the co-author (with Paul Sperry) of the new book Muslim Mafia, I would like to ask you this: are there any correlations between your message in the book about the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the murder spree at Ft. Hood?

Gaubatz: Thanks Jamie.

Yes. The murders by Malik Nadal Hasan at Ft. Hood, TX are not a ‘lone wolf incident’ as being described by most media organizations. Hasan had been taught the ideology that is being advocated by hundreds of Islamic scholars and Imams in the U.S. We as a country can continue to deny there are numerous Islamic leaders and their supporting organizations such as CAIR, ISNA, MSA, and MANA, to name a few, who advocate killing innocent men, women, and children whom they allege ‘oppress Islam.’

How many more incidents similar to this that have been occurring in America does it take before even the media wants to report the truth? Politicians will always say or do whatever will get them their next vote in an upcoming election, but there was a time in our history when journalists reported everything and were not concerned with ‘political correctness.’

This type of journalistic reporting is dangerous and in itself is a national security issue. Journalists and their affiliated news organization are so afraid of being labeled or sued by organizations such as CAIR that they will withhold the truth from the American people. In part, the murders of innocent people are partly the fault of such journalists and politicians who support organizations such as CAIR.

FP: Your thoughts on CAIR and what happened at Ft. Hood?

Gaubatz: My team and I have conducted first-hand research at over 200 Islamic Centers in the U.S., and in various Islamic organizations such as CAIR. There is one common denominator: There is an open hatred being advocated by Islamic scholars toward Christians, Jews, and Muslims who do not adhere to ‘all aspects’ of Sharia law (Islamic law).

The materials being distributed by these scholars are very clear in their message: violence against anyone who “oppresses” Islam is justified. It makes them subject to the punishment of death. Rifqa Bary (the 17-year-old Muslim girl who left Islam for Christianity) tried to speak out, but has been ignored. Many more Muslims have tried to speak out but the PR machine of the Muslim Brotherhood (backed by Saudi and Egyptian money) keeps them silent.

Young Muslims know what is being taught at their mosques, but have no other choice but to follow their parents and the Imams. If they try to speak out they know there are few politicians, law enforcement, lawyers, or judges who will help them. They are afraid of becoming the victims of people like Malik Hasan who will carry out the orders of the Muslim Brotherhood.

FP: Can you give us some examples of what Muslims in America are being taught and why you believe Malik Hasan was carrying out the orders of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Gaubatz: Jamie there are numerous examples. I will provide a few. Investigative journalists need to ask Imams across our country what these following statements mean and if it is likely and very possible that Muslims could use these teachings to commit acts such as occurred at Ft. Hood, Va. Tech, ‘Trolley Square” (SLC, UT), and numerous other locations.

[1] “The objective of Islamic Jihad is to put an end to the dominance of the un-Islamic systems of government and replace them with Islamic rule, Islam intends to bring about this revolution not in one country or in a few countries but in the entire world. Although initially it is the duty of every member of the Muslim party to work for revolution wherever he lives the final purpose is nothing but a world revolution. Any revolutionary ideology which upholds the good of all mankind, and is not of a mere national unit, cannot limit its horizons to those of any single country or nation.”

Book: “Come Let Us Change This World,” pp. 106–107. Author: Sayyid Abul A’la Mawdudi. Founder of Jamaat-e-Islami (The Islamic Party), a political party in Pakistan.

[2] “If you accept the whole of Islam in your life…a time will come when Communism will fear for its survival in Moscow, Capitalistic democracy will tremble for its safety in Washington and New York.”

Book: “Come Let Us Change This World,” p.83. Author: Sayyid Abul A’la Mawdudi. Founder of Jamaat-e-Islami (The Islamic Party), a political party in Pakistan.

[3] “It is learnt from this Hadith that physical jihad will continue right till the day of resurrection and will be waged as such in some part or the other of the world”. We do not deny the benefit of waging an academic and intellectual war. However, an intellectual war alone cannot be fought everywhere. There are special places and occasions for it. In short, despite waging a jihad with the tongue, pen, rationale and intellect, the Muslim community cannot be absolved of the duty of waging physical jihad.”

Pamphlet: “40 Hadith on Jihad,” pp. 21 -22. Author: Maulana Abdus Samad Siyal. Published in Pakistan.

[4] “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land, will be that they will be killed.”

Booklet: “Duties of the Learned to Ignorant Muslims,” p. 5. Author: Abdul Qadir Oudah (Muslim Brotherhood/Egypt). Published in Pakistan.

[5] “The person who raises arms in order to curb tyranny and oppression and to eradicate evil is the blessed soul who fights in the way of Allah.”

Pamphlet: Jihad in Islam, p.15, by Abdul Hameed Siddiqi. (Jemmah Islamiyah) Published in Pakistan.

[6] “Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. Islam requires the earth—not just a portion, but the whole planet. Towards this end, Islam wishes to press into service all forces which can bring about a revolution and a composite term for the use of all these forces is ‘Jihad.’

Pamphlet: “Jihad in Islam,” pp.9 -10. Syed Abul A’al Maududi (founder of JI terrorist organization).

FP: Where do Muslims get this type of material?

Gaubatz: This type of material is openly provided to Muslims across America. Islamic scholars have convinced our politicians, courts, and law enforcement that this type of material is covered under our U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.

Americans need to determine for themselves if the calling for the destruction of our country and the safety of our children was intended by our forefathers. I believe most reasonable people would say violence advocated against innocent people was not the intention of our forefathers, thus this conclusion would leave open the debate that many current politicians are not reasonable people and/or have been ‘bought’ by professional lobbyists within CAIR and similar Muslim Brotherhood organizations. Their personal agenda is leaving our country vulnerable to attack from within.

FP: Final thoughts on the Ft. Hood tragedy?

Gaubatz: Expect more. Israel has endured ‘suicide/attacks’ similar to this for many years. Malik Nabal Hasan is a terrorist supporting the ideology of Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and yes, CAIR. In Palestine, the leaders send out the young and vulnerable to carry out the murders in the name of Islam. The same is happening in America.

Support organizations such as ACT! for America because these Americans are educating themselves about such organizations as CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood. They are great people who care about our country and the innocent people worldwide. I encourage everyone to not only read the book Muslim Mafia, but to conduct their own research of the information outlined in the book. Paul Sperry did an outstanding job. Provide a copy to your local politicians and law enforcement officials and ask them what they are doing to protect innocent people in their localities from the Muslim Brotherhood ideology.

FP: Dave Gaubatz, thank you for joining us, for your courage to tell the truth, and for standing up for America.

Regardless, of what we find out later, I do believe the Army made a huge mistake in not discharging this guy a looooooog time agooooo!

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:34 AM

He handed out Korans?

Note also that he affected Islamic clothing -- as did another "moderate," Maher Hawash, before the latter embarked upon his jihad.

"Police raid shooting suspect's Killeen apartment," by Victor O'Brien for the Killeen Daily Herald, November 6 (thanks to Ernest):

Bell County SWAT teams barricaded and evacuated a downtown Killeen apartment complex where Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan lived before authorities say he killed 13 people and injured 30 more during a massacre at Fort Hood Thursday....

In the morning, neighbors said Hasan handed Qurans and donated his furniture to anyone who would take it.

Neighbors described Hasan as a quiet man who began wearing "Arabic clothing" in recent weeks. Edward Windsor, a neighbor, never suspected Hasan was in the Army. Hasan's rank surprised Windsor who would never have imagined an officer with a rank of major would have lived in an apartment that rents for $350 and houses soldiers ranked as private first class....

[edit on 103030p://bFriday2009 by Stormdancer777]

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Happyfeet
2 pistols, 200 rounds fired...that's about 10-20 magazine changes.

Not with a Glock 18C with 35 round mags. The 18C on full auto unloads R35 rounds in 3 seconds. Reports (from the same sources as reported the shooter dead ) say the weapons were not military.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:52 AM
Most of the deaths and injuries were reported as friendly fire - as a result of other troops opening fire.

Local media made the suggestion, but national reports have not confirmed it.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
Ohh Jesus Tap dancing Christ, It was only a matter of time.
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy with you people?

I will answer your question with a question:

Why do people on conspiracy sites act so surprised when some claims something is a conspiracy?

On topic, I'm not sure what to think about this whole fiasco. I've had a feeling from the get go something ain't right but I'm having trouble putting the pieces together. I've been out of the loop since early last evening but last I checked there was a supposed 4th shooter. It might not be a government conspiracy but it's got to be a conspiracy of some kind. This, IMO, was a planned a well calculated attack on innocent people. Not just some nutjob who lost his marbles in the blink of an eye.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:56 AM
I'm sorry, who stands to gain from this.. who? Who could possibly stand to gain from this.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:57 AM
Now playing ATS's unlicensed psychologist (also mammographer when drunk) I will have to say that is one strange happening. On one hand he was pissed about being deployed to Afghanistan but that made him shoot up everyone..?

Mil-psychiatrist are absolutely trained to deal with/handel stress and teach others how to so why he would go off is a mystery, he should be the last on the list, it is possible for religious/mind control reasons but from what I read it was just a sudden change in emotion.

I also do not believe they are required a service weapon/weapons training after when they leave basic because it is a civilian profession in the military and so they are not required to fight. Therefore, a) I can not see why he would be allowed weapons on base b) I can not see why he would not want to go overseas for full time pay.

I think the virginia tech similarity is wayyy too coincidental so is it possible there is some kind of mind control program there...? I know out there but is it?

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:57 AM
This is The United States of America


Posted by thelastcrusade - July 12th, 2009

the 14th Annual Arab International Festival in Dearborn, Michigan from June 19 to 21.

The event was sponsored not only by the Ford Motor Company (we thought they were bankrupt) and the American Arab Chamber of Commerce but also (get this) by the FBI, the CIA and various representatives of the U.S. Military.

Representatives from the all branches of the U.S. Military – - Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force Armed forces – - promised American citizenship to every Mid-Eastern immigrant willing to enlist – - as long as they were Muslims – - Christians and Jews were excluded from the offer. G.I. Issued uniforms were emblazoned with Arabic script in case prospective recruits could not understand terms such as “United States Army”.

The FBI, not to be undone, set up a booth to recruit Muslim agents, and the CIA conducted raffles in order to entice young Islamists to enter the cloistered world of U.S. intelligence.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 10:59 AM
no big surprise....... people will do anything to keep war in afghanistan and iran...........

Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md., said "I got the impression that he was a committed soldier."

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 11:03 AM

Originally posted by kenochs
I'm sorry, who stands to gain from this.. who? Who could possibly stand to gain from this.


posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 11:03 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the man in question has a degree in bio-chemistry! LOL! Nothing really to laugh about but Hey the possibilities are endless with this one some things will never be known!

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 11:04 AM
reply to post by Stormdancer777

Welcome to the 7 phase plan to reform the Caliphate. Stated on 911 with The Awakening.

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 11:05 AM
Does anyone want to take odds that this guy Hasan does not make off of the ventilator?

Or that once he is off of it, he will hardly be heard from?

posted on Nov, 6 2009 @ 11:06 AM
I loved watching that video -- Those guys were ridiculous

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