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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Date line November 18, 1978 Jonestown Guyana thirty one years ago today
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religious community led by Jim Jones (1931–78) that came to international attention after some 900 of its members died at their compound, Jonestown, in Guyana, in a massive act of murder-suicide on November 18, 1978.

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In this case a blind eye to the Israeli/Zionist Internet Defence Forces and their cruel terrorism and propaganda war.


This just gets more gonzo by the minute. Jim Jones and IDF. Deflection and distortion propagandizing at it's most blatant.

I notice the qualifier 'alleged' is reserved for helpless victims like the poor Major.

The Mossad mind control theory should be up next.

Can we get back to the real world and the subject of this thread?

American military officer shoots fellow servicemen. An extended history of advocacy of extremist Islamic ideology.



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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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American military officer shoots fellow servicemen. An extended history of advocacy of extremist Islamic ideology.


The fact of the matter is we have no earthly idea why Major Hassan committed this alleged crime.

We do though have an earthly idea why a number of Canadian, English and Australian Zionists posting to this thread wish to exploit it and purport it as being about Islamic extremism. To rush to that self serving conclusion that strips the Major first of his individually and humanity and the crosses we all must bear and give testimony too, instead to objectify him and minimize him to just a Muslim and that his alleged crimes have everything to do with him being a Muslim all the while trying to provide examples of every alleged crime Muslims anywhere and everywhere have ever carried out to further bolster a goal of Muslim attrition that Zionists so love to promote by exploiting every tragedy.

They are like so many sharks to a feeding frenzy circling and then attacking where ever they catch the scent of blood.

Major Hassan has given no testimony in fact no one has on the record. It’s just the typical Zionist influenced main stream media dredging up every bit of information they can then put forward in poor context knowing that it’s agents will put it forth in even poorer context to the people whose harried existences don’t always have time for in depth examinations of all the relative and pertinent facts.

Relative and pertinent facts that are for reasons both obvious and not so obvious being withheld by our officials from us at this point in time creating that exploitable vacuum that the Israeli/Zionist Internet Defense Forces love to take advantage of to misdirect away from the facts to offer a highly propagandized version that suits their goals of Muslim attrition and divide and conquer rule through chaos.

I watched patiently for days as this thread degraded into a veritable circus and platform for preaching hate against all Muslims by the copy and paste brigade operating with unabashed glee, posting one false and libelous assertion after another. Ignoring every appeal and presentation of fact to stop and allow actual Americans who have been affected by this tragedy to discus what little information our Homeland Security and highly secretive government has allowed us to know through its ever changing conflicting and evolving stories as it’s own spin masters and propaganda czars look to minimize and then exploit the political fall out of such tragedies.

The reality is very few people posting to this thread care that Americans died, that many more are laying wounded and suffering in pain and facing crippling injuries that might never allow them to lead a healthy, whole and normal life again.

Canadian Zionists, English Zionists, Israeli Zionists, just posting away with prejudicial glee to exploit yet another tragedy just like they did dancing in the flames of the Twin Towers on 9-11, how many times have I advised you such unseemly and self serving strategies are bound to backfire on it it’s proponents Michael?

I will not sit by and watch foreign interlopers with sorted agendas seek to capitalize off of America’s and American’s misfortunes that they themselves are so deeply responsible for.

The truth must be heard and known, not just some of it, not just that shred that makes a lie seem then like the truth.

ALL OF IT.



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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Would it be possible to keep this remotely on topic? Seriously there are enough threads here where thinly veiled anti-semitism is on full display.
The topic here is the mass murder committed by a self professed Islamic Extremist at a US Military base. In case you all have forgotten. Perhaps the Israeli haters can get back to making excuses for the Major and tell us all again how they believe he was justified in murdering service people, a grandmother and a pregnant woman in cold blood all in the name of Allah.

At least that is on topic.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
American military officer shoots fellow servicemen. An extended history of advocacy of extremist Islamic ideology.

The fact of the matter is we have no earthly idea why Major Hassan committed this alleged crime.

We do though have an earthly idea why a number of Canadian, English and Australian Zionists posting to this thread wish to exploit it and purport as being about Islamic extremism. To rush to that self serving conclusion that strips the Major first of his individually and humanity and the crosses we all must bear and give testimony to instead objectify him and minimize him to just a Muslim and that his alleged crimes have everything to do with him being a Muslim while trying to provide examples of every alleged crime Muslims anywhere and everywhere have carried out to further bolster a goal of Muslim attrition that Zionists so love to promote by exploiting ever tragedy.


From a contributor who spends an incredible amount of time and effort inventing theories and distorting reported accounts to implicate Israel and American Jews in every single unfortunate event in history, this is about par for the course.

Simultaneously explaining away every war, every terrible decision and misdeed emanating from the Muslim Middle East as a natural response to American foreign policy dictated by 'Zionists.'

No one with any grounding in the complexity of world affairs falls for this.

But there is always a small sub-culture of resentful disenfranchised types, both in the West and Muslim communities, who love to hear that they and everyone else are the chosen victims of contrived plotting against them. No one is responsible for their actions or those of the leaders they choose. It's all a game to further exploit the innocent and just.

Some are so truly naive they actually believe the entire world of 6+ billion people functions on this simple-minded principle.


M



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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Night Watchman
Would it be possible to keep this remotely on topic? Seriously there are enough threads here where thinly veiled anti-semitism is on full display.
The topic here is the mass murder committed by a self professed Islamic Extremist at a US Military base. In case you all have forgotten. Perhaps the Israeli haters can get back to making excuses for the Major and tell us all again how they believe he was justified in murdering service people, a grandmother and a pregnant woman in cold blood all in the name of Allah.

At least that is on topic.


Is there a law against extreme religion?
Is there a law against being at a military base?
You are in need of some help here son.
I will call you flat out a liar. If you can find one post
that someone justifies the Major's actions,
you will get my apology when you post that JUSTIFICATION. BA
It is a horrible tragedy that the murders happened at all.
Your foul use of their sacrifice is as low as it gets.
Stop typing. Get to the front lines and send an American home.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Actually Michael there are some people who believe that the world functions on some form of Kabala like mysticism and ritual that influences the energies that shape and propell events.

Know anyone who practices and believes in Jewish Mysticism and that Jerusalem is the center of the Universe?

I can tell you this some of the people who believe that are posting to this thread!

So let me see people who believe in arcane ritual backed up with bombs, bullets and propaganda in the name of the religion that gives birth to it all, having an ages old crudge and blood fued with the rival sect of the religion that accuses them of breaking their covenant with G-d by doing this and some people think I am wacky?

The truth is the truth Michael the world is being led to the breaking point by these insane ideals and notions and the blood sport that makes up these rivalries and passions creates.

Naive and often far too trusting and innocent Americans have been caught up in the middle of this tug of war bound by their own religious control cult invented by Rome. I suppose though that the Pope is a mere figment of my imagination to though?

People like Major Hassan and many non-Muslim U.S. soldiers are snapping and having suicidal breakdowns in epidemic proportions because of this perverse game the leaders play and the Military Industrial Complex profits insanely off of as it enslaves the entire planet in this boold sport for monetary profit but ultimately to rule through controlled chaos.

You would have us accidently believe that all this happens, that a guy wanders into a 7-11 one morning and is Leader of his nation the next, and just happens to do this or that.

That men like Zionist Baron David De Rothschild who is reputed to control more than 65% of the world's wealth would never collude with someone like Zionist David Rockefeller reputed to control an estimated 20% of the world's wealth, the respective owners of amongst many other things Royal Dutch Shell Oil and Exxon Mobil?

Why there would be no reason why these men who are the controlling principles and owners of every major reserve bank on the planet and control nearly 90 percent of the world's wealth and resources between them would do anything but allow billions of people do chaotically fight over the little measley bit left that they need to leave to get people to fight over it?

Zionism is a control cult Israel and the Jews along with the rest of the world are victims too it. Just like the Jonestown cult that 31 years ago today manipulated 900 well intentioned human beings to take their own life in a mass suicide.

Are you really going to try to tell me people aren't and can't be manipulated?

Are you really going to try to tell me people don't seek to profit off of the ability to manipulate other human beings?

Are you really so blind as to not understand which came first the chicken or the egg.

That for there to be terroism there must first be acts of injustice perpetuated upon a people for them to turn to terrorism in the face of overwhelming odds stacked against them?

Zionism is the root cause and inventor of modern day terrorism, no ifs ands or buts about that.

Want to purport Major Hassan's actions are terrorism, and try to exploit it for Zionist ideals and goals at the expense of the American people?

Good luck because there are still some real Americans left, there are still some human beings who haven't drunk the Kool-Aide so infamously made popular in Jonestown 31 years ago today. Jonestown which was a Christian ministry and not Islamic that took the lives of all it's members in the name of religious paranoia.

The same type of religious paranoia the Zionist/Israel Internet Defense Forces try so hard to create.

That leads to the genocides and crimes against humanity that the duped American soldiers tasked and manipulated into carrying them out do cause them to loose their minds at the shocking horrors of man's inhumanity to man in the very wars the Zionists are always agitating for.

It is what it is, and frankly those who support it have excellent reason to be defensive about it's nefarious, evil and deadly nature.




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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The fact that you can not demonstrate or display ONE act of Islamic terrorism committed against the U.S. prior to Israel’s independence speaks for itself.



The Marine Corps Hymn memorializes a series of such attacks in the early 19th century, long before the modern nation of Israel ever existed.

The line is this one: "to the shores of Tripoli".

There was a reason the Marines went to Tripoli way back then, and it wasn't the healthy climate.

It was terrorism, in the form of a BUNCH of Islamic pirates preying on U.S. shipping going through the Straits of Gibraltar.

Thomas Jefferson, the President at the time, took exception to that.

And sent in the Marines.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The fact that you can not demonstrate or display ONE act of Islamic terrorism committed against the U.S. prior to Israel’s independence speaks for itself.



The Marine Corps Hymn memorializes a series of such attacks in the early 19th century, long before the modern nation of Israel ever existed.

The line is this one: "to the shores of Tripoli".

There was a reason the Marines went to Tripoli way back then, and it wasn't the healthy climate.

It was terrorism, in the form of a BUNCH of Islamic pirates preying on U.S. shipping going through the Straits of Gibraltar.

Thomas Jefferson, the President at the time, took exception to that.

And sent in the Marines.


Yes that's right my friend and if you look back a page you will clearly see I mentioned Islamic Pirates on the Barbary Coast as about the only form of Muslim violence perpetrated against the U.S. by Muslims.

Conversely the War of 1812 was over the British pirating and prizing U.S. Ships and pressing it's sailors into service.

Conversely the Spanish American War and how we came by such places as Guantanamo Bay Cuba and Manila Bay Philippines was also over Spanish pirating.

Pirating and buccaneering and privateering ring all each have distinctive categories and when famed pirates like the English Black Beard might have instilled terror in people they are known as pirates because what they do is pirate and steal not for political purposes but for economic purposes.

So congratulations you have managed to point out to me what I pointed out myself a page back in regards to Muslim pirates oh and I mentioned Muslim Slave Traders too in this post here as follows. Which can be found on page 74!

Page 74 of this thread




There was a little bit of Muslim pirating and slave trading and that was about it. We were universally respected as a nation because unlike England, Germany, France and the Netherlands we weren’t interested in Empire or Colonialism, but minding our own business, not taking sides, and treating everyone equal just like our forefathers did and bade us to when they founded our nation.


Which the English, Spanish and Jews have all been involved in the slave trade as well. Circumcision by the way is the mark of a Jewish Slave!

What you have done though is display once again that War on Terror is all about word games how Pirates well over a hundred years after they were known as Pirates for pirating become terrorists to make a political argument.

You in fact are now trying to claim the age old practice of pirating in which Gaius Julius Caesar himself was once kidnapped and held for ransom by Pirates before becoming the first emperor of all of Rome is now terrorism aimed at the United States by the Barbary Coast Pirates?

Wow and people starred that!

I bet who doesn't call the Tripoli Expidition being caused by terrorism is the Marine Core and Naval Academies. They just use the word that desribes what it was pirating.


Main Entry: pirate
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pi-rat-ed; pi-rat-ing
Date: 1574

Transitive verb

1: to commit piracy on
2: to take or appropriate by piracy: as a: to reproduce without authorization especially in infringement of copy right b: to lure away from another employer by offers of betterment
Intransitive verb

: to commit or practice piracy


Websters Online Dictionary

Totally missing the terrorism tie-in with pirating for economic profit so is Webster's dictionary.


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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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www.redcounty.com...

Here's an interesting piece by LTC West. I cut and pasted it, but the link is posted above.

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on the post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our “Band of Brothers and Sisters” can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole but as family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors train for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact that there are some who have now created an entire new classification called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is unconscionable.

This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his Commanding Officer’s tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a young convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive terrorist training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic terrorist plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a target.

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity syndrome on steroids.

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim, not the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the Soldier Readiness Center shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, same chant as the 9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of “protecting the American people”.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And don’t have CAIR call me and try to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate terrorist associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are “Kaffirs” and “Infidels” allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology….one resulting in four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our schools.

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional Republic……that speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who believes such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please, go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and realize a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal,

Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
The Marine Corps Hymn memorializes a series of such attacks in the early 19th century, long before the modern nation of Israel ever existed.

The line is this one: "to the shores of Tripoli".

There was a reason the Marines went to Tripoli way back then, and it wasn't the healthy climate.

It was terrorism, in the form of a BUNCH of Islamic pirates preying on U.S. shipping going through the Straits of Gibraltar.


So because they were ISLAMIC pirates it suddenly makes it terrorism instead of just piracy?


Seriously, the "terrorism" thing is becoming a joke. Only terrorism when it's Muslims. Everybody else, eh, we just call it what it is.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Is there a law against extreme religion?
Is there a law against being at a military base?
You are in need of some help here son.
I will call you flat out a liar. If you can find one post
that someone justifies the Major's actions,
you will get my apology when you post that JUSTIFICATION. BA
It is a horrible tragedy that the murders happened at all.
Your foul use of their sacrifice is as low as it gets.
Stop typing. Get to the front lines and send an American home.


There are more than a few examples of posters writing that the major had, "ample," reason to go beserk and murder those innocents. Look it up. It isn't my responsibility to do research for those too lazy to do it themselves.

As for your apology, I have no interest in an apology from someone as narrow minded and ill informed as you. The fact that you think an apology from you would have even the slightest is further proof of an inflated sense of self importance.

As for these well framed questions:




Is there a law against extreme religion? Is there a law against being at a military base?


Do you provide subtitles for your posts because I can't begin to figure why you are asking such ridiculous questions. Clearly no one has suggested anything of the sort so the questions make little sense.

Not that this is all that surprising given the source.

Ok, son?

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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
So because they were ISLAMIC pirates it suddenly makes it terrorism instead of just piracy?


Seriously, the "terrorism" thing is becoming a joke. Only terrorism when it's Muslims. Everybody else, eh, we just call it what it is.


I wonder if someone has ever done research to compare George Washington (and friends) to being Muslim.

How close are Quakers and Muslims in terms of shared theology?

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CX

posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Getting back to the investigation.....it looks like the Senate Commitee on Homeland Security are going to conduct an investigation too....


Sens. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, announced today an investigation by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee into the Fort Hood shooting on Nov. 5, where Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly murdered 13 and wounded 43

“We appreciate that the Army and the Justice Department are conducting a criminal investigation of this shooting," said Lieberman. "But that does not mean that the rest of us, including the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, can just sit back and watch."

Lieberman, Collins Plan Fort Hood Probe


Is this normal? Is the justice department investigation not good enough now?

Does anyone know how a Senate for Homeland Security probe will be more effective than the ongoing ones?

The article states that they will focus specifaly on "home-grown terrorists". I know they say they are talking about al Qaeda influenced terrorists, but i can't help wonder how this investigation will ultimately end up affecting the average citizen as usual?

CX.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by CX
Is this normal? Is the justice department investigation not good enough now?

Yes it is normal. Checks and balances. Approved and stamped allows us to move on to prevent the problem in the future by saving our system of law so these scum can't infiltrate the loopholes. It's late but good that it's finally happening.
Like I've mentioned before, they have to hit us with WMD before we can be defensive... otherwise we are offensive and that's against our policy. So be prepared for more WMD before it's over because this enemy won't sit back and behave.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Protoplasma
People like Major Hassan and many non-Muslim U.S. soldiers are snapping and having suicidal breakdowns in epidemic proportions because of this perverse game the leaders play and the Military Industrial Complex profits insanely off of as it enslaves the entire planet in this boold sport for monetary profit but ultimately to rule through controlled chaos.


Tens of millions of soldiers and officers today and in the past have managed to fulfill their commitments under unusually strained circumstances and despite the "perverse games" of the "Military Industrial Complex"

Under scrutiny here is a trained psychiatrist specializing in combat stress. An American born officer with just about the softest non-combative position in the largest military complex in the world. He's never been within a thousand miles of a battle.


That men like Zionist Baron David De Rothschild who is reputed to control more than 65% of the world's wealth would never collude with someone like Zionist David Rockefeller reputed to control an estimated 20% of the world's wealth, the respective owners of amongst many other things Royal Dutch Shell Oil and Exxon Mobil?

Why there would be no reason why these men who are the controlling principles and owners of every major reserve bank on the planet and control nearly 90 percent of the world's wealth and resources between them would do anything but allow billions of people do chaotically fight over the little measley bit left that they need to leave to get people to fight over it?

Zionism is a control cult Israel and the Jews along with the rest of the world are victims too it. Just like the Jonestown cult that 31 years ago today manipulated 900 well intentioned human beings to take their own life in a mass suicide.


Rothschilds control 65% of the world's wealth? Rockefeller is Zionist? They control nearly 90% of the world’s wealth?

Like you’re joking – right?

The is the sort of kiddie konspiracy macroeconomic assessment made by guys in their mothers' basements who run conspiracy and/or hate sites. Anyone who has ever read even an introductory book on the world economy gets a radically different picture.

The world's wealth is spread among all parts of the world, many nations and regional international financial institutions. A disproportionately large share in the hands of oil rich Muslim regimes, the developing Far East, old German and Swiss banking institutions, the growing American nouveau riche. China alone has the world's top 3 banks in terms of assets, Japan is in the top ten.

Millions of shareholders and corporate board members throughout the world, many in the Muslim Middle East, might be surprised to find out about their funds actually being controlled by Zionists and their sympathizers.

I'm in constant amazement anyone believes this kind of semi-retarded nonsense?


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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The fact that you can not demonstrate or display ONE act of Islamic terrorism committed against the U.S. prior to Israel’s independence speaks for itself.



The Marine Corps Hymn memorializes a series of such attacks in the early 19th century, long before the modern nation of Israel ever existed.

The line is this one: "to the shores of Tripoli".


There was a reason the Marines went to Tripoli way back then, and it wasn't the healthy climate.

It was terrorism, in the form of a BUNCH of Islamic pirates preying on U.S. shipping going through the Straits of Gibraltar.

Thomas Jefferson, the President at the time, took exception to that.And sent in the Marines.


The jar heads were chasing pirates not TERRORISTS.
Oh you say pirates, strange you also say terrorists.

It will not be the Major blowing things up. It will be more false flags or attempted destruction of another USS like the Liberty perpetrated by the true and original terrorists. Marxist, Bolshevik, Communists. Their trail leads straight back to Zionists of the early USSR, Vladimir IIyich Ulyanov and company. The dark secret of total terrorism and political Zionist money grubbing. This is the terrorism America faces. Not some silly pirates who never came close to our shores.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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No brainer. Check the pedigree of the security folks appointed by the elected.
The interesting thing is where the f were they when it comes to doing their jobs.
The shootings and you name it ON THEIR WATCH.
They fail then blame.


Edited for modern PC

George Washington
('Maxims of George Washington' by A. A. Appleton & Co.)

"They (the Zionists) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in . . . and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

George Washington



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
The jar heads were chasing pirates not TERRORISTS.


They were chasing Violent Islamic jihadists, who were preying on, and carrying the war to, us arrogant infidels in a shiny new nation.

They were engaged in jihad against the infidels, and enriching themselves thereby, exactly as Mohammed did in the 5th century.

I can't say that I rightly give a damn what YOU want to call them.

I call 'em like I see 'em.



Oh you say pirates, strange you also say terrorists.


Huh? Was there a thought behind that?



It will not be the Major blowing things up.


Probably not. They pretty much have Mr. Hassan under wraps at this point, I'm guessing under fairly tight supervision.

No, he's already DONE his damage.



It will be more false flags or attempted destruction of another USS like the Liberty perpetrated by the true and original terrorists.


I get a real kick out of folks who see a false flag behind every door, hiding in every closet, and under every bed.

Please, continue to amuse me. I love your entertaining ways.

Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, nor a "false flag". That trite phrase is SO overused these days, by folks who give all appearances of not even knowing what one is.



Marxist, Bolshevik, Communists. Their trail leads straight back to Zionists of the early USSR, Vladimir IIyich Ulyanov and company. The dark secret of total terrorism and political Zionist money grubbing.


Uh huh. I see. I wonder what Freud would say about your obsessions? Oh, wait... it doesn't matter because FREUD was a "Zionist" too, right?



This is the terrorism America faces. Not some silly pirates who never came close to our shores.


Those "silly pirates" got close enough to our shores that they brought the wrath of Jefferson down on their heads. Izzat not close enough for ya?

It must be terribly disconcerting for folks of your bent to realize that protection of U.S. interests is not the exclusive provenance of 20th or 21st century American "dictators".

Possibly nearly as disconcerting as it would be for you to make the realization that violent jihad is not a new invention, and actually existed prior to 1948. It, as a matter of fact, extends all the way back to the Battle of Badr, if not before.

I feel your anguish.

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First Barbary War (Tripolitan War
War between the USA and Tripolitanian, 1801-05. Tripolitania corresponded to modern northwestern Libya. the background for the war was the continued attacks from Batbary pirates on U.S. vessels in the Mediterranean Sea, and disagreements as to the level of tribute to be paid to the pirates. The pasha of Tripoli had demanded greater tribute paid, which was refused by the USA.
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No reason to let facts get in the way huh friend? Doesn't sound like it had anything to do with religion just money.


Among the more intriguing stories, the USS Philadelphia, a 44-gun Navy frigate, ran aground off Tripoli in October 1803. The Tripolitans forced the captain and crew to surrender, and they used the Philadelphia for harbor defense against the Americans. On Feb. 16, 1804, Lt. Stephen Decatur, using a captured Tripolitan boat, led a contingent of Marines to seize the Philadelphia and burn it. They also briefly captured Tripoli, but they didn't recover the captain or crew. Decatur became the first military hero since the Revolution and became a commodore, who kicked more ass in the Second Barbary War in 1815. Tripoli was again captured, and the pirates surrendered in 1805. This is why the Marine Hymn has the phrase, ". . .to the shores of Tripoli." There is a movie "To the Shores of Tripoli".


Typical stuff for the day where pirates of Islamic, Asian, English, Spanish and French origins sailed the seas preying upon one anothers shipping.


1801: Yussuf Karamanli, Pasha of Tripolitania, demands $225,000 from the USA to abstain from attacking their ships. USA refused.
.....May 14: Tripolitania effectively declares war on the USA through insulting US interests in Tripoli.
.......... — Morocco, Algiers and Tunis would declare joint interest with Tripoli.
.......... — USA sends a navy towards Tripolitania, whereupon Algiers and Tunis withdraws from the conflict.
1803: USA starts winning more battles in the ongoing war against Tripolitania.
.......... — October: USS Philadelphia runs aground outside Tripoli, and the ship is taken over and its crew hostaged.
1804 February 16: The USA attacks Tripoli, putting the USS Philadelphia on fire and freeing the US hostages.
.......... — July 14: US launches a series of attacks on Tripoli.
1805 April-May: Battle of Derna shifts the luck of the war. USA begins a blockade of the harbour and an expedition is sent from Egypt.
.......... — June 4: A peace treaty is signed, USA paying a symbolic ransom of $60,000 and Tripolitania freeing its about 300 US captives and abandoning all claims on US property. USA also freed its about 100 captives.


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All the pirating occured in the Mediterranean Sea by the way which borders Africa, Europe and the Middle East and is no where near the United States of America either.

In case you are interested to know anything about the 2nd Barbary War


The Second Barbary War (1815, also known as the Algerine or Algerian War) was the second of two wars fought between the United States and the Ottoman Empire's North African regencies of Algiers, Tripoli, and Tunis, known collectively as the Barbary States. The war would effectively be ended the following year, but then not by the USA, rather Great Britain and the Netherlands. The war brought to an end to the American practice of paying tribute to the pirate states and was one of the events marking the beginning of the end of the age of piracy in that region, which had been rampant in the days of Ottoman domination (16th–18th centuries). Within decades, European powers built ever more sophisticated and expensive ships which the Barbary pirates could not begin to match in numbers or technology.


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Just more pirating in Europe no Muslim terrorism or Jihads, I suppose Captain Jack Sparrow was a Jihadist too.

By the way the Habiru which you know as the Hebrew were also Pirates back in the days before Caesar.

Funny how some people are just pirates and criminals until their religion can be exploited for the purposes of Zionist propaganda and Muslim attrition.





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