I know the Muslim world would be be in a state of tranquil bliss if they could get control of that outstanding 0.2% controlled by those manipulative world-dominating Jews who made poor Maj Hasan go berserk.
Originally posted by Night Watchman
The topic of this thread is a mass murder allegedly committed by an avowed Radical Muslim extremist. I'm not sure why this fact seems to be escaping you. Should we add pictures?
You ask why JJ is still posting here? I wonder why you are allowed to continue to post when all you seem to be doing is attacking other posters. You have added nothing to this thread.
Perhaps you and your pathetic friend Protoplasmic Dimwit should go find another anti-Jew Thread...you both seem to enjoy those.
1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in squalor?
2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since.
3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs?
4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?
5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah?
6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?
7. Are you aware the security fence in the Disputed Territories is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers?
8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother Muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?
9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?
10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
your reply is a copy and paste from a website called strategy page dot com?
Yes sir! No such thing as Israel/Zionist Internet Forces and absolutely no strategy involved to their propaganda. It’s just a natural outpouring of their own unique feelings so well articulated for them from strategy page dot com!
Originally posted by bsbray11
I am not anti-Jewish. I am anti-stupid.
[edit on 18-11-2009 by bsbray11]
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mmiichael
True he doesn’t quite rank up there with real committed terrorists like Yitzhak Shamir leader of the infamous Stern Gang and admitted assassin of U.N. Special Peace Envoy Count Bernadotte Folke from neutral Switzerland and his aide de camp.
How funny that Shamir could murder a man of peace and his aide in cold blood and have the blood of countless other terrorist murders on his hands of British, Jews and Palestinians alike and yet be elected as Prime Minister of Israel, while Hassan will likely spend the rest of his life in prison.
I wonder where the heck the Muslims ever got the idea terrorism could even work from?
[edit on 18/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]
Upon the initiative of the Norwegian diplomat Niels Christian Ditleff in the final months of the war, Bernadotte acted as the negotiator for a rescue operation transporting interned Norwegians, Danes and other western European inmates from German concentration camps to hospitals in Sweden.
In the spring of 1945, Bernadotte was in Germany when he met Heinrich Himmler, who had become commander for the entire German army following the assassination attempt on Hitler the year before. Bernadotte had originally been assigned to retrieve Norwegian and Danish POWs in Germany. He returned on May 1, 1945, the day after Hitler's death. Following an interview, the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet wrote that Bernadotte succeeded in rescuing 15,000 people from German concentration camps, including approximately 8000 Danes and Norwegians and 7000 women of French, Polish, Czech, British, American, Argentinian and Chinese nationalities. (SvD 2/5-45). The missions took approximately two months, and exposed the Swedish Red Cross staff to significant danger, both due to political difficulties and by taking them through areas under Allied bombing.
The mission became known for its buses, painted entirely white except for the Red Cross emblem on the side, so that they would not be mistaken for military targets. In total it included 308 personnel (approximately 20 medics and the rest volunteer soldiers), 36 hospital buses, 19 trucks, 7 passenger cars, 7 motorcycles, a tow truck, a field kitchen, and full supplies for the entire trip, including food and gasoline, none of which were permitted to be obtained in Germany. A count of 21,000 people rescued included 8,000 Danes and Norwegians, 5,911 Poles, 2,629 French, 1,615 Jews and 1,124 Germans.
After Germany's surrender, the White Buses mission continued in May and June to save approximately 10,000 additional people.
In total, around 31,000 people were taken to safety in the "White Buses" of the Bernadotte expedition, including between 6,500 and 11,000 Jews
Bernadotte was assassinated on Friday 17 September 1948 by members of the Jewish militant Zionist group Lehi
A three man 'center' of this extreme Jewish group had approved the killing: Yitzhak Yezernitsky (the future Prime Minister of Israel Yitzhak Shamir), Nathan Friedmann (also called Natan Yellin-Mor) and Yisrael Eldad (also known as Scheib). A fourth leader, Emmanuel Strassberg (Hanegbi) was also suspected by the Israeli prime minister David Ben-Gurion of being part of the group that had decided on the assassination.
The assassination was planned by the Lehi operations chief in Jerusalem, Yehoshua Zettler. By most accounts, it was carried out by six young members of the Lehi group: Yehoshua Cohen, Shmuel Rosenblum, David Ephrati, Yitzhak Markovitz, Yehoshua Zettler, and Meshulam Makover. By other accounts, a three-man team ambushed Bernadotte's motorcade in Jerusalem's Katamon neighborhood.
Two of them, Yitzhak Ben Moshe (Markovitz) and Avraham Steinberg, shot at the tires of the UN vehicles.
The third, Yehoshua Cohen, opened the door of Bernadotte's car and shot him at close range. The bullets also hit a French officer who was sitting beside him, U.N. Observer Colonel André Serot. Both were killed.
In the immediate confusion, Col. Serot was mistaken for Dr. Ralph Bunche, the American aide to Bernadotte. Meshulam Makover, the fourth accomplice, was the driver of the getaway car
The following day the United Nations Security Council condemned the killing of Bernadotte as "a cowardly act which appears to have been committed by a criminal group of terrorists in Jerusalem while the United Nations representative was fulfilling his peace-seeking mission in the Holy Land.
After his death, Bernadotte's body was returned to Sweden, where the state funeral was attended by Abba Eban on behalf of Israel. Folke was survived by a widow and a 14 year old son. He was buried at the Northern Cemetery in Stockholm.
Report: Hasan Wanted Patient War Crimes Trials
Fort Hood massacre suspect Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan sought to have some of his patients prosecuted for war crimes based on statements they made during psychiatric sessions with him, a captain who served on the base said Monday
Holding onto a secret - For nine months, they kept quiet
A group of 13 soldiers left Iraq holding on to a secret -- the murders of four detainees at a Baghdad canal. They were told not to say a word, and for nine months, they kept quiet. Then, one of the 13 soldiers reported the crime and the secret was out.
A CNN investigation, "Killings At The Canal: The Army Tapes," reveals why the Army's rules for holding detainees may have led to the murders of four Iraqis by three decorated Army sergeants at a Baghdad canal. CNN obtained 23½ hours of extraordinary Army interrogation tapes that detail the crime and include a confession by one of the sergeants. The series, by Special Investigations Unit Correspondent Abbie Boudreau, airs Tuesday through Friday on AC360 at 10 p.m. ET. An SIU documentary airs Saturday and Sunday at 8 p.m. ET on CNN. FULL SCHEDULE
Originally posted by Chevalerous
I saw on CNN International Anderson Cooper 360° & read yesterday that this FT-Hood major had repeatedly before he went "nuts" reported about "war-crimes" made by U.S troups in Afghanistan and Iraq and requested that some of his patients be tried for war crimes - but was just ignored and turned away by the Army!
I guess that all these awful stories from the soldiers "confessing their pain and their guilt" to Hasan - finally broke his frustrated soul down making him more radical by the day - and in the end he went clinically insane and snapped, and went on a rampage?
(even if he's now a radical nut & murderer himself)
This thesis of Jews in the US and Israel somehow being responsible for the thousands of acts of overt terrorism seen in the last few years defies serious commenting on.
Originally posted by earthdude
If the shooter was a terrorist he was the worst one ever. He didn't take out any valuable targets. He fails as a terrorist. He is, however, really good at being insane.
Group Says Army Underreporting Suicides
November 18, 2009
Inter Press Service
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- According to a Soldiers' advocacy group at Fort Hood, Texas, the U.S. base where an Army psychiatrist has been charged with killing 13 people and wounding 30 in a Nov. 5 rampage, the official suicide figures provided by the Army are "definitely" too low.
Chuck Luther served 12 years in the military and is a veteran of two deployments to Iraq, where he was a reconnaissance scout in the 1st Cavalry Division. The former sergeant was based at Fort Hood, where he lives today.
"I see the ugly," Luther told IPS. "I see Soldiers beating their wives and trying to kill themselves all the time, and most folks don't want to look at this, including the military."
Luther, who in 2007 became the founder and director of the Soldier's Advocacy Group of Disposable Warriors, knows about these types of internal problems in the military because he has been through many of them himself.
Luther told IPS that he believes the real number of Soldiers at Fort Hood committing suicide is being dramatically underreported by the military.
"There are suicides of active-duty troops occurring regularly both on and off base," Luther said. "One of them I knew personally since I served with him in Iraq and he was one of my Soldiers, and they still have him listed as under investigation for suicide."
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You are citing thousands of acts of overt terrorism in the last few years? I guess Jihad Watch dot com has the figures but not the actual incidents on this because a can count only a handful of actual possible terrorist incidents with the bulk of those here in the U.S. being FBI informant founded Al-Qaeda terrorist cells that the FBI funds and then plans
I have never seen one Palestinian, one Iraqi, one Afghani, one Iranian urge us to give up our constitutional principles. In fact I have seen them all implore all Americans to adhere to their Constitutional principles that once made America the shining beacon of hope in a dark and dreary world.
The fact that you can not demonstrate or display ONE act of Islamic terrorism committed against the U.S. prior to Israel’s independence speaks for itself.
Would a Major Hassan who had his ancestral home stolen by Zionists shortly before his birth and not thousands of years ago when the non-ancestral Zionists claimed Palestine was taken from them possibly snap under the horror of watching the values and constitutions of his adopted nation be perverted and then all together abandoned through Zionist manipulation to trick Americans into waging religious genocide in the Middle East against the people of his own faith in violation of our Constitution we were terrorized into abandoning?
Originally posted by mmiichael
If he is opposed to the US for political reasons, as was his right, why was he still maintaining his position as an officer?
Originally posted by Chevalerous
Yeah Mike! too many things doesn't add up in this terrible tragedy!
I mean! First! you don't put a muslim guy as a psychiatrist in a position where he every day is hearing stories from soldiers with PTSD - listening to them "confessing their pain and their guilt" from experiences in muslim countries - that would be, just asking for trouble to emerge!
And when the guy finally is soo emotionally tortured in his soul so the he require that some of these people need to be taken to a "war trial" for what they have done (according to the story) they flat out ignoring him and his request!
For me this story is now more understandable, and we can have a small insight into what happened in Hasan's head - and how he was more and more radicalised by the refusal of his higher command to do anything about these crimes & confessions of soldiers he took part of.
In the end as a muslim he couldn't handle the frustration anymore, he went and asked his higher Army command for help putting some of these people on "trial" for crimes committed against his muslim brothers and sisters - but was every time turned down - of course for political reasons and possible impacts of such requests if granted.
So the guy get's in the end soo radical and frustrated, and maybe with some underlaying mental problems, he finally snapped!
The main issue here is that this man shouldn't had his position as an Army
psychiatrist from the beginning in such a position of handeling patients from wars in muslim countries.
Of course there was going to be problem from such by the Army crazy decision!
And here start's the conspiracy - WHY did they put him in such a position from the beginning - then ignoring his reports (this should have been the first signs of that everything was not OK to have this man at this posistion)
But they ignored it! or did they?
The first report he made should have set off all kinds of alarms, where they could have been putting 2+2 together and understand that this man must be relived from his current position immediately.
Our reign of terror, by the Israeli army
In shocking testimonies that reveal abductions, beatings and torture, Israeli soldiers confess the horror they have visited on Hebron
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
The dark-haired 22-year-old in black T-shirt, blue jeans and red Crocs is understandably hesitant as he sits at a picnic table in the incongruous setting of a beauty spot somewhere in Israel. We know his name and if we used it he would face a criminal investigation and a probable prison sentence.
The young man left the army only at the end of last year, and his decision to speak is part of a concerted effort to expose the moral price paid by young Israeli conscripts in what is probably the most problematic posting there is in the occupied territories.
The older ex-soldier is Yehuda Shaul, who does indeed "know how it is in Hebron", having served in the city in a combat unit at the peak of the intifada, and is a founder of Shovrim Shtika, or Breaking the Silence, which will publish tomorrow the disturbing testimonies of 39 Israelis – including this young man – who served in the army in Hebron between 2005 and 2007.
They cover a range of experiences, from anger and powerlessness in the face of often violent abuse of Arabs by hardline Jewish settlers, through petty harassment by soldiers, to soldiers beating up Palestinian residents without provocation, looting homes and shops, and opening fire on unarmed demonstrators.
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Originally posted by Chevalerous
Unfortunately and sadly as terrible things happens in most conflicts, there are now more and more soldiers coming through to confess their crimes which they took part in under much stress and difficult cricumstances.
All these terrible things that are happening to innocent civilian population, acts as an catalyst for more young muslim men to become radicalised and strike back in events where even more innocent civilian women & are killed.
I's a never ending story! - but the madness must stop from all sides in the conflicts - they need to stop all the insane killing of people now!!
And Israel has it's part of this as well! - fortunately enough there are many very fine people of the Israel who are tired of all the killing as well! - but as long there are WAR HAWKS both in Washington and in Jerusalem that are hell bent on war, profit, destruction and the profits therof - there will be NO peace anywhere!
To this end he killed a dozen unarmed men and women. Whether this conforms to any of the 67 different dictionary or legal definitions of 'terrorism' is up to others to decide.
To me this incident is a terrible human tragedy. And there's a concern that the same destructive mindset is not unique to this individual.
religious community led by Jim Jones (1931–78) that came to international attention after some 900 of its members died at their compound, Jonestown, in Guyana, in a massive act of murder-suicide on November 18, 1978.
Jones began the Peoples Temple informally in the 1950s as an independent congregation in Indianapolis, Indiana. He was inspired by the ideal of a just society that could overcome the evils of racism and poverty. Although Jones was white, he attracted mostly African Americans to the group with his vision of an integrated congregation. In 1960 the Peoples Temple affiliated with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and four years later Jones was ordained. In 1965 he warned of a nuclear holocaust and led the movement to Ukiah, California, where members became active in both Protestant ecumenical circles and state politics. Branch congregations opened in San Francisco and Los Angeles, and an agricultural settlement, Jonestown, was founded in 1974.
Jones’s “apostolic socialism” was influenced by the Marxist “liberation theology” popular among Latin American clergy at the time. He mixed social concerns with faith healing and an enthusiastic worship style drawn from the black church. He also invited members to live communally in an effort to realize his utopian ideal. Meanwhile, the church was accused in the press of financial fraud, physical mistreatment of members, and abuse of children in its care. In 1977 Jones led hundreds of the group’s members to Guyana.
A year later, Concerned Relatives, a group of ex-members, convinced Leo J. Ryan, a U.S. congressman from California, to visit Jonestown. The visit apparently went well. However, for reasons still not completely understood, Ryan and those accompanying him were murdered when they reached the airport to return to the United States. Shortly thereafter, most of the residents joined together in a mass rite of murder-suicide in which they were either shot or took poison. The members of the group who had remained in California later formally disbanded.
Following the tragedy at Jonestown, the Peoples Temple was identified as a “cult,” and Jones was depicted by the media as the epitome of an evil cult leader. Although numerous scholarly and popular studies of Jonestown have been written, the effort to understand the group and the tragedy continues. Congress has yet to release the files from its investigation of Ryan’s death.